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US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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Note: The following might be considered off-topic. On the otherhand, there might be something nefarious in the SMS network. I found something strange that affects SMS in Canada. You can send the lower case text "secure communication", but it will never be recieved by the recipient. I am not sure if this behavior is reproducible outside of Canada. It might be a software defect, or perhaps there is something capturing…

Just tried Public Mobile (Telus sub-brand) to Rogers phone. And vice versa.

Messages containing "secure communication" failed when sent by SMS.

Both are iPhones, but one phone had wifi and cellular data disabled to force the SMS failover.

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> required by law to build into their hardware ways for authorities to access the networks for lawful purposes A bit of a tangent but ... How I hate this term "lawful purposes". It's a non-sequitor / dark pattern deployed to confuse consumers into not understanding that they mean "spy on you". "Lawful" just means compliant with the law. In other words, they are are NOT saying "necessary to enforce the law" which is w…

Are you sure you’d want to live in a society that was incapable of spying on you when they decided it was necessary?

(This argument hinges on that pesky word “necessary”. But it’s worth thinking about which conditions you’d be ok with the state surveilling others, and who exactly “others” refers to.)

Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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1 thought for all MNOs and their vulnerability management programs:

Most of your infrastructure has multiple interfaces. Bearer. OAM, Backup, etc.

If your vulnerability scanning program only scans Bearer interfaces, you are fucking up. You can spin up vulnerable services on only one interface. If you don't scan ALL interfaces, you don't know all your entry points.

If you work for an MNO and are reading this, you should take action after reading this content.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese state did this and much worse. Governments are evil, film at eleven. However, if this intercontinental extortion were so common, I suspect we would have heard of a single case by now.

Extortion specifically? How about the Bezos extortion case? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/21/revealed-the-s...

That link seems to refer to the actions of some other nation, which nation is considered by many foolish people to be an ally of USA. But sure, if I were worth twelve figures and I didn't want my wife to find out about my mistress, I would avoid recording my infidelity on electronic devices.

Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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> required by law to build into their hardware ways for authorities to access the networks for lawful purposes A bit of a tangent but ... How I hate this term "lawful purposes". It's a non-sequitor / dark pattern deployed to confuse consumers into not understanding that they mean "spy on you". "Lawful" just means compliant with the law. In other words, they are are NOT saying "necessary to enforce the law" which is w…

Are you sure you’d want to live in a society that was incapable of spying on you when they decided it was necessary? (This argument hinges on that pesky word “necessary”. But it’s worth thinking about which conditions you’d be ok with the state surveilling others, and who exactly “others” refers to.)

> who exactly “others” refers to

Historically, people of color and political dissidents.

Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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post #223

> required by law to build into their hardware ways for authorities to access the networks for lawful purposes A bit of a tangent but ... How I hate this term "lawful purposes". It's a non-sequitor / dark pattern deployed to confuse consumers into not understanding that they mean "spy on you". "Lawful" just means compliant with the law. In other words, they are are NOT saying "necessary to enforce the law" which is w…

Are you sure you’d want to live in a society that was incapable of spying on you when they decided it was necessary? (This argument hinges on that pesky word “necessary”. But it’s worth thinking about which conditions you’d be ok with the state surveilling others, and who exactly “others” refers to.)

Sadly, that is exactly how ideas like that promulgate. It won't affect me. It will only affect the others, the undesirables, the trouble makers, and misc. whippersnappers.

I know it will not affect me and people like me, because implemented rules will ensure that.

My parents lived in a society you seem to yearn for. Hard pass.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. There are some specific carve-outs for telecom companies that their networks must have the ability to tap into specific traffic when a government agency comes knocking with a warrant. But, as you point out, backdoor-free e2e encryption is not yet illegal, and the US gov't can't force e.g. Apple to put a backdoor in iMessage or in iOS's device encryption. I expect that this is not the case in China; if the…

> and we can affect that process In theory, in the same sense that one could influence what CCP does by becoming a member of it and rising through the ranks.

Why you gotta be so difficult?

Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Even if China is more evil in its domestic affairs a western civilian has much more to fear from the US. Can you support this assertion?

America are more likely to kidnap me over the borders compared to China.

Source?

To quote a Chinese citizen: “Give us a baby and we’ll let you go.”

https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/03/21/give-us-baby-and-well-...

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