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US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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NSA: Yeah, their spyware install totally broke our spyware install!!1! Joking, but I honestly wonder- If the software is compiled in California... and the hardware is made in China. You could have two implants in the same gear. Now that's Thinking Green! Twice the government implants in one product.

"US says it can prove Huawei has lawful intercept access to mobile-phone networks" would be a better headline.

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Even if that is ever the case, US interests will still be way more aligned with Finland and Sweden than China.

How so? For one thing, Swedes are less and less excited by the stream of Middle Eastern migrants caused by American adventures there.

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>The US is essentially complaining that Huawei has access to the backdoor channels that only the US government was supposed to have. How is surprising? The defining characteristic of a nation state is that it has a monopoly on violence within its borders. Having a monopoly on intercepting telecom traffic is a logical consequence of that. For other countries though, yeah I'd prefer if neither China nor US have backdoo…

as a US Resident, China has no authority to murder me or put me in a cage like the US Government does. So if I had to choose I would prefer china over the NSA, Of course neither is the best option but ..... if I lived in China the inverse would be true

That argument really only works if you're a political activist or even an average citizen. However, if you're a high level executive, defense contractor, or a high ranking government employee, do you really want the Chinese government to have access to your comms AND know your movements?

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> Telecom-equipment makers who sell products to carriers "are required by law to build into their hardware ways for authorities to access the networks for lawful purposes," but they "are also required to build equipment in such a way that the manufacturer can't get access without the consent of the network operator," the Journal wrote. I love this quote. The US is essentially complaining that Huawei has access to the…

They pulled the same like when I was trying to buy a little yellow cake uranium. The government is so hypocritical.

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> so who says the US is going to continue to be more-or-less an ally and China is going to continue to not be one? Geopolitics is much less unpredictable than "the future." Even the current administration is not so short-sighted to alienate the US to the point of having no powerful allies. If Europe is not considered an ally (it is, not "more or less," it 100% is), where would the US turn? Even if you take a scenario…

One could ask why the US and european countries are allies. I think it is because both are technologically advanced, both are rich, both are societies with human rights, both are democratic. (Relatively speaking, at least.) These things can change. Now that I name four factors it may sounds like a lot would need to change. But the first two as well as the second two are closely related. And at some point the former t…

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Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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NSA: Yeah, their spyware install totally broke our spyware install!!1! Joking, but I honestly wonder- If the software is compiled in California... and the hardware is made in China. You could have two implants in the same gear. Now that's Thinking Green! Twice the government implants in one product.

"US says it can prove Huawei has lawful intercept access to mobile-phone networks" would be a better headline.

Because Huawei is a global law-enforcement agency and hence can claim lawful interception on all equipment it sells? Doesn't make any sense.

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Even if that is ever the case, US interests will still be way more aligned with Finland and Sweden than China.

How so? For one thing, Swedes are less and less excited by the stream of Middle Eastern migrants caused by American adventures there.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/china-tries-to-put-sweden-on...

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Or explaining why they allow those backdoors exist in the first place?

This is one of those "if X has access, so does everyone else" and rule makers still don't seem to grasp it.

"Because I can log into my sshd, so can everyone else"...? We are not talking about weak crypto here (though AFAIK 5G crypto is designed to be decidedly not E2E), but rather access to the data processed by these systems. There is no particular reason why granting e.g. the NSA access to a stream of CDRs would immediately give others access.

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I mean, now you're just talking about intent, and thus have to trust that the intent is as claimed. Crypto doesn't discriminate on whether you have a warrant or not.

>Crypto doesn't discriminate on whether you have a warrant or not. Okay, let's say the telecom equipment doesn't have a backdoor for lawful intercept. What happens if the telecom is served with a warrant? Are you expecting that the telecoms will refuse to cooperate with the authorities?

They'd probably be able to co-operate anyway, but it'd require manual intervention by telco employees. What makes these US-mandated lawful intercept backdoors particularly nasty is that they provide an automatic way of exfiltrating data that is designed to conceal its use from employees - in essence, a built-in rootkit that compromises the integrity of telecoms systems even in countries that don't actually want this kind of backdoor. This isn't a hypothetical issue; the US has reactivated this feature to spy on politicians in countries that didn't actually want or need it on their exchanges in the first place.

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Note: The following might be considered off-topic. On the otherhand, there might be something nefarious in the SMS network.

I found something strange that affects SMS in Canada. You can send the lower case text "secure communication", but it will never be recieved by the recipient. I am not sure if this behavior is reproducible outside of Canada. It might be a software defect, or perhaps there is something capturing the text and trying to interpret it as a command. The issue is more difficult to reproduce if both the sender and recipient devices are iphone's due to the default behavior of sending via iText.

I originally posted about this late last year [1]. I intend to investigate this issue more deeply, but my time has been consumed by another more pressing matter. The original HN post links to my blog post [2]. Originally I jumped to the conclusion that it was a case of censorship, but I backtracked on that because the issue is case sensitive. I would love confirmation if this is reproducible in other countries.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21593276

[2] https://bloggerbust.ca/post/text-messages-are-being-censored...

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