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What is more dangerous for an American (or even European) citizen? The US or China spying at them? Even if China is more evil in its domestic affairs a western civilian has much more to fear from the US.
>Even if China is more evil in its domestic affairs a western civilian has much more to fear from the US. Can you support this assertion?
Note: The following might be considered off-topic. On the otherhand, there might be something nefarious in the SMS network. I found something strange that affects SMS in Canada. You can send the lower case text "secure communication", but it will never be recieved by the recipient. I am not sure if this behavior is reproducible outside of Canada. It might be a software defect, or perhaps there is something capturing…
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What is more dangerous for an American (or even European) citizen? The US or China spying at them? Even if China is more evil in its domestic affairs a western civilian has much more to fear from the US.
>Even if China is more evil in its domestic affairs a western civilian has much more to fear from the US. Can you support this assertion?
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as a US Resident, China has no authority to murder me or put me in a cage like the US Government does. So if I had to choose I would prefer china over the NSA, Of course neither is the best option but ..... if I lived in China the inverse would be true
That argument really only works if you're a political activist or even an average citizen. However, if you're a high level executive, defense contractor, or a high ranking government employee, do you really want the Chinese government to have access to your comms AND know your movements?
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What is more dangerous for an American (or even European) citizen? The US or China spying at them? Even if China is more evil in its domestic affairs a western civilian has much more to fear from the US.
>Even if China is more evil in its domestic affairs a western civilian has much more to fear from the US. Can you support this assertion?
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Do you think it will take that long? Surely China will expect its investments to start paying back before 2040? This still seems like a strange, "pre-crime" sort of standard to which to hold China. You're almost counting USA misdeeds against China: "since USA did all these horrible things, you can be sure China will do even worse, someday!"
China plays a much longer game than the US. But sure, let's say next decade then. Your analogy is poor. I'm describing the behavior of all hegemonic empires in history. You seem to think the US is a special case. Why is that?
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If you're not in their jurisdiction, or neighboring jurisdictions (I've heard some rumors of events in e.g. Vietnam), they're not going to do anything to you. USA cannot make the same claim.
Private information can absolutely be used to coerce/blackmail/extort/compromise/propagandize from abroad. It happens many thousands of times every day.
However, if this intercontinental extortion were so common, I suspect we would have heard of a single case by now.
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China plays a much longer game than the US. But sure, let's say next decade then. Your analogy is poor. I'm describing the behavior of all hegemonic empires in history. You seem to think the US is a special case. Why is that?
I don't think USA is "special" in any sense. I mentioned it only in response to the direct comparison you made between China and USA.
If they reveal the backdoor and Huawei closes or replaces it, they'll be locked out
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It being illegal is relevant because it is at least considered wrong to do. The degree of difference in what is considered acceptable (and also what is happening) between the two is so staggeringly different it isn't even comparable.
I will continue to disagree, until you can show me that someone is being punished for the illegal actions, and that further steps are being taken to prevent such transgressions in the future. Today in America it is de facto legal for law enforcement to do this stuff. The fact that a piece of paper somewhere might say otherwise has no bearing on what's actually happening.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3124641/cops-run-unaut...
> The act imposes some new limits on the bulk collection of telecommunication metadata on U.S. citizens by American intelligence agencies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act
And shortly thereafter:
> The National Security Agency (NSA) has formally recommended that the White House drop the phone surveillance program that collects information about millions of US phone calls and text messages. The Wall Street Journal reports that people familiar with the matter say the logistical and legal burdens of maintaining the program outweigh any intelligence benefits it brings.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/25/nsa-drop-massive-phone-s...
Sure, the US isn't perfect.
But I'm still very certain that I trust China's approach to data privacy a little less, since they currently do all of the following to happen, without suspicion of a crime:
* mass collection of blood and hair DNA samples for citizens living in minority regions
* literal government occupation of people's homes to take photos and collect information
* installing government cameras inside of peoples homes
* using that information to track, detain, and send ~1 million minorities to re-education camps without being charged or accused of a crime... where they are subjected to forced sterilization and torture.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/13/china-visiting-officials...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-m...
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/abuse-10302019142433...
The institutional attitudes to privacy are simply not comparable to the US. US authorities are not nonchalant enough about privacy that they think anything close to that that is remotely acceptable in the US.