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US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see any reason why I would be afforded any more legal protections than they give to their own citizens, do you?
If you're not in their jurisdiction, or neighboring jurisdictions (I've heard some rumors of events in e.g. Vietnam), they're not going to do anything to you. USA cannot make the same claim.
Private information can absolutely be used to coerce/blackmail/extort/compromise/propagandize from abroad. It happens many thousands of times every day.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is dangerously naieve and short-sighted. Look at how readily China already uses our own corporations against us. ESPN showed a map of china with the nine-dash-line. Hollywood won't dare to offend the Chinese government. Our tech companies are willingly censoring themselves. Our corporations influence our politicians, and China is exerting influence on our corporations. If they have access to an enormous volume o…
> You think they’re going to be friendlier to American citizens? Yes, because American citizens are none of their business. Law enforcement and prosecution on the other hand is very interested.
...but US corporations are their business?
China, and the US for that matter, will generally do what they think they can get away with to further their interests. Regardless of a bunch of imaginary lines drawn on a map.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the chinese can and do simply disappear people without the semblance of due process Hum you could use a chat with one or more guantanamo bay inmates
The scales here are extremely different. Millions of uighurs are being detained en masse for their race and religion. Guantanamo has 40 inmates who are related to national security. It's a false equivalence and disrespectful to uighurs to compare them to terrorists.
to compare them to terrorists.
There are no terrorists at Guantanamo - at least not until such time as we hold a trial to determine whether they are. In this case that's not splitting hairs, the failure to observe the Bill of Rights is quite the point.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law. We do have the notion of transparency and you do not get sent to a labor camp if you have political views antithetical to the state. The Chinese can and do simply disappear people without the semblance of due process. Their history also is one of ethnic cleansing as the Han people have pushed out or marg…
> I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law I, as a European citizen have no practical way to benefit of that semblance of rule of law.
I don't think that's true at all. If you have a grievance, you can bring a case in American court and be assured of at least a reasonably fair hearing. Far better than in China, at any rate.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would assume I am afforded less legal protections than a Chinese citizen! But here's the thing: with the platonic ideal of "civil liberties" in mind that might bother me, but practically speaking? Chinese legal protections or threats have no bearing on me. None whatsoever. I don't have a secret clearance. I don't know anyone who does. I don't know anything of significant value to the Chinese state that they couldn'…
You're only thinking about it in the context of your own personal information, though. There will also be effects on your peers, neighbors, and society around you. There are nation-state actors currently using stolen data for blackmail, extortion, and propaganda campaigns, to influence the economic and political stability of other nations. Whether or not you are a direct target, you will be affected in some way. Whil…
Even if I believed you - which I absolutely don’t - it’s completely irrelevant.
The intent of my government or of a foreign government has almost zero bearing on my life, for the life of any other average American – someone who does not have a secret clearance, is not committing major felonies, etc.
What matters is material condition, and the ability of that government to project force and change a person’s material condition.
If Chinese intelligence knows who my weed dealer is, or that I on occasion drive my car faster than the posted speed limit, agents of the MSS aren’t going to tail my car and pull me over. If proof that I’m pirating DVDs hits the great firewall I’m not going to get an email threatening me with legal action.
I don’t care if my government really thinks that weed purchases should be illegal or that driving 5 over the speed limit is a societal crisis or that pirating DVDs is a moral wrong: I care that they can project force against me and impact my life.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes and no. There are some specific carve-outs for telecom companies that their networks must have the ability to tap into specific traffic when a government agency comes knocking with a warrant. But, as you point out, backdoor-free e2e encryption is not yet illegal, and the US gov't can't force e.g. Apple to put a backdoor in iMessage or in iOS's device encryption. I expect that this is not the case in China; if the…
> and we can affect that process In theory, in the same sense that one could influence what CCP does by becoming a member of it and rising through the ranks.
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#198Note: The following might be considered off-topic. On the otherhand, there might be something nefarious in the SMS network. I found something strange that affects SMS in Canada. You can send the lower case text "secure communication", but it will never be recieved by the recipient. I am not sure if this behavior is reproducible outside of Canada. It might be a software defect, or perhaps there is something capturing…
> I found something strange that affects SMS in Canada. You can send the lower case text "secure communication", but it will never be recieved by the recipient. This reminds me of how, until just a few years ago (as late as 2016), people were wondering why you couldn't tweet the phrase "Get better". It turned out that you can't tweet any phrase that begins with "Get" because... you guessed it, posting tweets from the…
You could also go Google searches via SMS.
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#199I love the delusions here that spy craft is worth more than commerce.
China risks one of their largest companies, knowing they will eventually get caught, over one department in the US just puts out a statement they are 'spying' and everyone believes it without proof.
We don't actually live in a Hollywood movie.
"US officials said they have been aware of Huawei's backdoor access "since observing it in 2009 in early 4G equipment," the Journal wrote."
So the USA admits it's allowed all these counties, many allies, be spied on? Really? We are excepted to believe that?
I'm sure there's a technical 'thing' here. But whether they have fked up on the USA side or the Chine side we can only know from the US actually saying what this is. But then the US might lose it's 'Huawei is spying' attack on Chinese commerce.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law. We do have the notion of transparency and you do not get sent to a labor camp if you have political views antithetical to the state. The Chinese can and do simply disappear people without the semblance of due process. Their history also is one of ethnic cleansing as the Han people have pushed out or marg…
> I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law I, as a European citizen have no practical way to benefit of that semblance of rule of law.
As a European, you benefit immensely from being a member of NATO, you might be a part of Russia otherwise. To think US and China are equally bad requires an astonishing degree of naivety