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Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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> Autopilot never meant full automatic control. In a plane context, which was the most common until now, it's only used to keep a trajectory steady, and anything unusual has to be taken care of by a human pilot. From what I've seen, the general public has an inaccurate perspective on airplane autopilot systems. Loads of people think pilots simply push a button then sit back and relax as the plane automatically taxis,…

> From what I've seen Where? How? That's not a scientific statement. > Loads of people think pilots simply push a button then sit back and relax as the plane automatically taxis, takes off, flies then lands itself. Who thinks that? That seems like a hyperbole and you can't possibly know. > Tesla chose to inherit those misconceptions. Assuming all those above assumptions are true and assuming Tesla reached those same…

Are you being intentionally caustic? The phrase "running on autopilot" is an established colloquialism for doing something without being mindful of it, and almost every major dictionary definition of "autopilot" states that it is a system used to navigate something without a human.

Demanding a rigorous scientific study on human understanding of a word is simply not necessary when there are multiple recorded videos of people asleep at the wheel with a fucking banana on a string dangling from the steering wheel to fool the system.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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This is sad and tragic. I remember going with a friend on a Tesla test drive. He was eager to try the Autopilot system. And within a few minutes we got freaked out with what seem to us as unpredictable action and we turned it off. I think the engineer should have never relied on it. Especially if he had concerns with the system. At the same time, "Autopilot" is misleading and Tesla does own responsibility here. Even…

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I've experienced this feature. Many fewer incidents of false activation ("phantom braking") in more recent revisions of the software, which gets better and better. It is a feature, because it significantly adds to safety in cases where it's needed, and has prevented at least one serious incident for me. It acts within certain parameters that are not as extreme as described. To call it "slamming" on the brakes is overdramatizing it somewhat.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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Gotta love how quick Tesla is to throw their customers under the bus using telemetry data the customer cannot access on their own..

Their customer is perfectly aware of whether he has a video game going on in his hands instead of a steering wheel. No telemetry needed from that perspective.

Yeah but it is auto pilot! It can drive itself!!

You have no idea how many Tesla drivers will openly admit to taking their hands off the wheel and eyes of the road in order to take off a coat, tend to a child, etc. I work with somebody who claimed to do just that routinely.

Here is somebody from a few days ago bragging about taking their hands off the wheel and eyes off the road: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22231927

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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> Names don't really mean anything, it could have been named anything. Names absolutely have meaning. Why do you think Tesla named it “auto pilot” and not something else?

Maybe because it literally means what it does?

No, not really. If you're comparing to planes, they have automated systems that will almost always keep them at a completely different altitude to avoid potential collisions.

Plane pilots have to pay very little attention with autopilot on compared to Tesla drivers with Autopilot on.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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post #128

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Gotta love how quick Tesla is to throw their customers under the bus using telemetry data the customer cannot access on their own..

Their customer is perfectly aware of whether he has a video game going on in his hands instead of a steering wheel. No telemetry needed from that perspective.

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Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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According to this article: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30877577/driver-tesla-mod... "Data from his phone indicates that a mobile game was active during his drive and that his hands were not on the wheel during the six seconds ahead of the crash."

Gotta love how quick Tesla is to throw their customers under the bus using telemetry data the customer cannot access on their own..

Calling it autopilot, full self driving is borderline criminal.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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I feel that an engineer in almost any field should understand failsafe vs fail-deadly. Tesla's autopilot is definitely not a failsafe system. While this is somewhat callous, if this engineer had taken that seriously he would still be alive.

Or if Tesla had

Nobody at Tesla claims that this is a failsafe system. In fact, they specifically tell you to be ready to take over at any time. That is not a system I would rely upon, personally.

Are companies bound to only selling failsafe products? Of course not, we'd never get anything done.

I do find it somewhat immoral that Tesla are using their customers as beta testers for this, but nobody has been forced into this. Nobody is forced to use Autopilot.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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post #128

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Gotta love how quick Tesla is to throw their customers under the bus using telemetry data the customer cannot access on their own..

Their customer is perfectly aware of whether he has a video game going on in his hands instead of a steering wheel. No telemetry needed from that perspective.

This is mean spirited. The customers family is not perfectly aware.

Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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I feel that an engineer in almost any field should understand failsafe vs fail-deadly. Tesla's autopilot is definitely not a failsafe system. While this is somewhat callous, if this engineer had taken that seriously he would still be alive.

Or if Tesla had

This is the real problem. Tesla had been aware of the "crashing into barriers" issue for a long time.
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