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A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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The military needs, or needed, Tor to be functioning and anonymous for their own use, correct?

The military and intelligence needs use of Tor to be functioning and anonymous more than they need hidden services to be functioning and anonymous. The unknown "investigation" technique in this article is about deanonymizing hidden services, not individual Tor users (at least not directly, they used the discovery of the hidden services to send an exploit which has been publicly identified to individual users).

That seems fairly trivial considering he was in the business of renting out webspace.

Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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If you're wondering why a web host, who could potentially be immune to prosecution under CDA 230, was charged with the distribution of child pornography, according to the warrant [1] an admin of one of the pedo sites claimed that Freedom Hosting had "full control" over the websites (well, he had root access to the servers, but so did OVH), was patching the websites, that the pedo site hosting was free, and that he assumed that Marques covered the hosting costs as a service to the "pedo community". Technically the prosecutors might have had to prove that he knew what the sites were hosting, but he did plead guilty. Hopefully the actual operators of the pedo sites are found and prosecuted, and not just this sysadmin.

[1] https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.247657/...

Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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The central premise of the article is that there is no disclosure regarding the vulnerability used, suggesting the existence of some unknown zero-day exploit.. Various well documented analysis have linked this incident to "EgotisticalGiraffe", a well known -- and since fixed vulnerability. FUD or lazy journalism? I mean, at least read the subjects Wikipedia page before publishing something..

The article explicitly does mention "EgotisticalGiraffe" (the Firefox TBB exploit). But the point is that the exploit was dropped on all websites that Freedom Hosting was running, which raises the question that the article is really about, "how did they know where the hidden services were?"

I have searched and reread the article to find this "explicit mention" and have come up empty. Can you be more specific?

Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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post #7

The military needs, or needed, Tor to be functioning and anonymous for their own use, correct?

Tor was created to help dissidents of other nations communicate. The military does not run on Tor.

> Tor was created to help dissidents of other nations communicate [1]

Why would the US Navy develop something to help dissidents in other nations?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)#Histor...

> The core principle of Tor, "onion routing", was developed in the mid-1990s by United States Naval Research Laboratory employees, mathematician Paul Syverson, and computer scientists Michael G. Reed and David Goldschlag, with the purpose of protecting U.S. intelligence communications online. Onion routing was further developed by DARPA in 1997

Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article explicitly does mention "EgotisticalGiraffe" (the Firefox TBB exploit). But the point is that the exploit was dropped on all websites that Freedom Hosting was running, which raises the question that the article is really about, "how did they know where the hidden services were?"

I have searched and reread the article to find this "explicit mention" and have come up empty. Can you be more specific?

Ctrl+F Firefox in the article, there are a few paragraphs on that vulnerability and its role in the article. But that exploit, as I understand it, is not responsible for the first unmasking of Freedom Hosting which is the central question here.

Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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Running a hosting server for onion services, as was done in this case, is a terrible idea. It greatly increases the risk of deanonymization. The question is less how this hosting service was discovered and more how it ever stayed up long enough to become so notorious. Here's why:

1. Each hidden service chooses a "guard" relay to serve as the first hop for all connections.

2. A server running multiple hidden services has a guard for each of them. Each new guard is another chance to choose a guard run by the adversary.

3. An adversary running a fraction p of the guards (by bandwidth) has a probability p of being chosen by a given hidden service. A hosting service with k hidden services is exposed to k guards and thus has ~kp probability of chosen an adversary's guard. With, say, 50 hidden services, an adversary with only 2% of guards has nearly 100% chance of being chosen by one of those 50 hidden services.

4. The adversary can tell when it is chosen as a guard by connecting to the hidden service as a client and looking for a circuit with the same pattern of communication as observed at the client. Bauer at el. [0] showed a long time ago this worked even using only the circuit construction times.

5. The adversary's guard can observe the hidden service's IP directly.

The risk of deanonymization with onion services in general (i.e. even not using an onion hosting service) is significant against an adversary with some resources and time. Getting 1% of guard bandwidth probably costs [0] "Low-Resource Routing Attacks Against Tor" by Kevin Bauer, Damon McCoy, Dirk Grunwald, Tadayoshi Kohno, and Douglas Sicker. In the Proceedings of the Workshop on Privacy in the Electronic Society (WPES 2007), Washington, DC, USA, October 2007.

[1] " rel="nofollow">https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/014E24C0CD21D...

[2] "Locating Hidden Servers" by Lasse Øverlier and Paul Syverson. In the Proceedings of the 2006 IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy, May 2006.

Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

#47

This report came out only a few months before he was caught: https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/1guiav/we_have_anal... He was likely de-anonymized through this technique or similar. The issue was that he trusted the Tor network to keep him anonymous and paid for the servers with his real identity.

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Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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OTOH if these techniques and vulnerabilities were made public it would benefit cybercriminals as they could defend themselves better.

It would also benefit whistleblowers, investigative journalists and other groups who routinely use Tor...

Unfortunately most of the things can be used for good and for bad.

Secret communication is definitely one of them. And since the negative potential is huge, there is always going to be a incredible incentive of those looking for the criminals to inspect any form of communication. I think the potential of misuse by the "bad guys" is a lot higher at the moment compare to "good guys" to be caught.

So for the general public, if you are not doing anything bad you should not worry... Right?

I am a little paranoid. For example that things may shift in a way that today the "good guys" do not expect or undervalue.

What if in the future the good guys become the bad guys? Or what if the bad guys get in control of the systems the "good guys" have?

And of course in some countries the majority may be the "bad guys"... And in other things may not be so black or white.

Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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post #24

The central premise of the article is that there is no disclosure regarding the vulnerability used, suggesting the existence of some unknown zero-day exploit.. Various well documented analysis have linked this incident to "EgotisticalGiraffe", a well known -- and since fixed vulnerability. FUD or lazy journalism? I mean, at least read the subjects Wikipedia page before publishing something..

The concern seems to be more of a legal one than a technical one. Law enforcement in theory should always disclose how they collect evidence.

Should they? I know of no such law or theory. They have a burden of proof regarding the correctness of evidence and the defence can question the legality of collection methods if the evidence gets used in court. As far as I know, that's about it.

Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have searched and reread the article to find this "explicit mention" and have come up empty. Can you be more specific?

Ctrl+F Firefox in the article, there are a few paragraphs on that vulnerability and its role in the article. But that exploit, as I understand it, is not responsible for the first unmasking of Freedom Hosting which is the central question here.

Found it, thanks!
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