The military needs, or needed, Tor to be functioning and anonymous for their own use, correct?
The military and intelligence needs use of Tor to be functioning and anonymous more than they need hidden services to be functioning and anonymous. The unknown "investigation" technique in this article is about deanonymizing hidden services, not individual Tor users (at least not directly, they used the discovery of the hidden services to send an exploit which has been publicly identified to individual users).
A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?
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#42[1] https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.247657/...
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#43The central premise of the article is that there is no disclosure regarding the vulnerability used, suggesting the existence of some unknown zero-day exploit.. Various well documented analysis have linked this incident to "EgotisticalGiraffe", a well known -- and since fixed vulnerability. FUD or lazy journalism? I mean, at least read the subjects Wikipedia page before publishing something..
The article explicitly does mention "EgotisticalGiraffe" (the Firefox TBB exploit). But the point is that the exploit was dropped on all websites that Freedom Hosting was running, which raises the question that the article is really about, "how did they know where the hidden services were?"
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#44The military needs, or needed, Tor to be functioning and anonymous for their own use, correct?
Tor was created to help dissidents of other nations communicate. The military does not run on Tor.
Why would the US Navy develop something to help dissidents in other nations?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)#Histor...
> The core principle of Tor, "onion routing", was developed in the mid-1990s by United States Naval Research Laboratory employees, mathematician Paul Syverson, and computer scientists Michael G. Reed and David Goldschlag, with the purpose of protecting U.S. intelligence communications online. Onion routing was further developed by DARPA in 1997
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article explicitly does mention "EgotisticalGiraffe" (the Firefox TBB exploit). But the point is that the exploit was dropped on all websites that Freedom Hosting was running, which raises the question that the article is really about, "how did they know where the hidden services were?"
I have searched and reread the article to find this "explicit mention" and have come up empty. Can you be more specific?
Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?
#461. Each hidden service chooses a "guard" relay to serve as the first hop for all connections.
2. A server running multiple hidden services has a guard for each of them. Each new guard is another chance to choose a guard run by the adversary.
3. An adversary running a fraction p of the guards (by bandwidth) has a probability p of being chosen by a given hidden service. A hosting service with k hidden services is exposed to k guards and thus has ~kp probability of chosen an adversary's guard. With, say, 50 hidden services, an adversary with only 2% of guards has nearly 100% chance of being chosen by one of those 50 hidden services.
4. The adversary can tell when it is chosen as a guard by connecting to the hidden service as a client and looking for a circuit with the same pattern of communication as observed at the client. Bauer at el. [0] showed a long time ago this worked even using only the circuit construction times.
5. The adversary's guard can observe the hidden service's IP directly.
The risk of deanonymization with onion services in general (i.e. even not using an onion hosting service) is significant against an adversary with some resources and time. Getting 1% of guard bandwidth probably costs [0] "Low-Resource Routing Attacks Against Tor" by Kevin Bauer, Damon McCoy, Dirk Grunwald, Tadayoshi Kohno, and Douglas Sicker. In the Proceedings of the Workshop on Privacy in the Electronic Society (WPES 2007), Washington, DC, USA, October 2007.
[1] " rel="nofollow">https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/014E24C0CD21D...
[2] "Locating Hidden Servers" by Lasse Øverlier and Paul Syverson. In the Proceedings of the 2006 IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy, May 2006.
Re: A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught?
#47This report came out only a few months before he was caught: https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/1guiav/we_have_anal... He was likely de-anonymized through this technique or similar. The issue was that he trusted the Tor network to keep him anonymous and paid for the servers with his real identity.
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#48OTOH if these techniques and vulnerabilities were made public it would benefit cybercriminals as they could defend themselves better.
It would also benefit whistleblowers, investigative journalists and other groups who routinely use Tor...
Secret communication is definitely one of them. And since the negative potential is huge, there is always going to be a incredible incentive of those looking for the criminals to inspect any form of communication. I think the potential of misuse by the "bad guys" is a lot higher at the moment compare to "good guys" to be caught.
So for the general public, if you are not doing anything bad you should not worry... Right?
I am a little paranoid. For example that things may shift in a way that today the "good guys" do not expect or undervalue.
What if in the future the good guys become the bad guys? Or what if the bad guys get in control of the systems the "good guys" have?
And of course in some countries the majority may be the "bad guys"... And in other things may not be so black or white.
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#49The central premise of the article is that there is no disclosure regarding the vulnerability used, suggesting the existence of some unknown zero-day exploit.. Various well documented analysis have linked this incident to "EgotisticalGiraffe", a well known -- and since fixed vulnerability. FUD or lazy journalism? I mean, at least read the subjects Wikipedia page before publishing something..
The concern seems to be more of a legal one than a technical one. Law enforcement in theory should always disclose how they collect evidence.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have searched and reread the article to find this "explicit mention" and have come up empty. Can you be more specific?
Ctrl+F Firefox in the article, there are a few paragraphs on that vulnerability and its role in the article. But that exploit, as I understand it, is not responsible for the first unmasking of Freedom Hosting which is the central question here.