Microsoft's marketing teams have been crap, well, forever. They somehow always fail to make the public aware of their coolest features, while at the same time doing slimy stuff like this. I do sometimes wonder if they intentionally try to sabotage the company.
Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel largely the same... they build some really cool things, and developer division, the azure guys and .net core guys I've talked to are all great... why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things, I don't get. Just auto-update edge and put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble... no need to disparage anything, it'd be more assertive and less annoying at the same tim…
> put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble [...] less annoying I have to disagree here. Messing with people's pinned taskbar icons is much more intrusive than a suggestion (which anyone sane has already disabled) > why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things I'm sorry but that's pretty funny right before suggesting to literally change users settings without their co…
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Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel largely the same... they build some really cool things, and developer division, the azure guys and .net core guys I've talked to are all great... why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things, I don't get. Just auto-update edge and put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble... no need to disparage anything, it'd be more assertive and less annoying at the same tim…
> put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble [...] less annoying I have to disagree here. Messing with people's pinned taskbar icons is much more intrusive than a suggestion (which anyone sane has already disabled) > why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things I'm sorry but that's pretty funny right before suggesting to literally change users settings without their co…
I'm not suggesting changing the default browser... only that given some of their past actions, simply putting the icon, or updating the version of Edge on the taskbar, and having a notification above that icon would be a better approach. Compared to the suggestion that disparages Firefox or Chrome, or the full browser window opening after the update.
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It's easier to unpin a taskbar icon, than disable suggestions.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#214Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…
How is this shady compared to Google's ads for Chrome on google.com or the paid search results in the App Store? All the tech giants participate in this behavior.
Google's ads on Google.com do not reach directly onto my OS (which I've already paid for, and should not have ads) GUI.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#215Reminder that “New” Microsoft Edge is just Chrone with different spyware. So yeah, I’m still using Firefox thanks.
FWIW, Microsoft did add tracking prevention tools much like Firefox and Safari have. So they did add the common browser feature Google refuses to integrate. Privacy-minded people who insist on using Chrome should switch to Edge over Chrome. But I refuse to contribute to the Chromium monoculture.
They should switch to Firefox or, if they are pig-headed, Un-Googled Chromium.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#216Here comes new Microsoft, same as old Microsoft.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#217I think a big part of this is just human nature. Microsoft believes they have a superior browser. They have a large amount of influence due to their software platform. It's got to be super tempting to get the word out with your most direct means of advertising (in your product).
I don't agree with it, but I understand it and even expect it. Recognizing this in other areas of life is super valuable, too. e.g. why is the dentist recommending X hipster toothpaste? Is it actually better? Or do they have a stake of some kind? Looking at your purchasing decisions in such a pessimistic (read: realistic) way can protect you from a lot of pseudo-science and other garbage you don't need in your life.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#218This, and every other screw-up in the same vein, is why those of us old enough to remember the Halloween documents don't buy the whole "new Microsoft" thing. Want to get me to try Edge? Great -- instead of a passive-aggressive ad, try telling me how it's better than Firefox and why I'd like to use it instead. What will it get me? Better privacy? Better performance? Better development tools? Cynically, it's amazing th…
Over the last couple of years I've been coming round to the fact that microsoft aren't necessarily a major problem now, compared to google and amazon at least. Doesn't take much to put the shields back upto full. I just don't understand why people run windows. Maybe I just use computers wrong, having been on linux for the last 20 years, but my family (who I refuse to help with IT needs) are all far happier on chromeb…
Chromebooks are far worse, if you have any privacy concerns.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#219I'm just wondering if this is Google pushing MS to do this, or if this is MS alone trying to make this happen. For all of the other MS branded products they push, I've never seen this for their other products.
This really feels like Google pushing them somehow to do this. They really could've done this a ton of their other products and never have. The first "collaboration" with a known shady advertising company and then these start popping up?
I can only conclude Google has a hand in this somehow.
Re: Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Windows 10 start menu
#220Microsoft doing shady stuff again. It's really a shame. The engineering that the teams at Microsoft put to the kernel and the actual operating system at large is amazing. But then some Product Management division decides to shove this shit down people's throat and, for me at least, ruins all the fun of what would is otherwise an amazing piece of an operating system. I paid for an operating system, just let me use the…
I feel largely the same... they build some really cool things, and developer division, the azure guys and .net core guys I've talked to are all great... why are they so heavy handed on the windows side of things, I don't get. Just auto-update edge and put it in a pinned taskbar position with a new icon and a notification bubble... no need to disparage anything, it'd be more assertive and less annoying at the same tim…
Great people don't work at crappy companies.