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Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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nabla9 wrote: post #225
PeterisP wrote: post #223

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Spanish flu killed very many people in regions that did not directly participate in WWI, so civilians (as opposed to recruits sent overseas) should not be affected by the war; e.g. India, Indonesia, etc. The half a million people who died of the Spanish flu in USA did not die because lots of wounded in the same place and scarred lungs from poison gas.

In the US roughly half present of the population died. It killed roughly ~5% of the world's population. btw. I did not say WWII was the single cause for high mortality. Hygiene, malnutrition etc. contributed. And the virus itself had higher mortality rate than usual, but not as much as previously thought.

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Post by pinkfoot »

samstave wrote: post #109
eloff wrote: post #41

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He's the expert, and I'm not. But I can do math. Influenza this year in the US: 19M infected and 10K fatalities. If you posit 1% mortality rate for coronavirus like he argues, that's 20 times more deadly. And it's twice that in China, it's unclear if that's a statistical anomaly or a structural feature of some difference in how things are tested/reported in China. So I'm not going to just shrug and say it's no big de…

https://i.redd.it/88osl54prjf41.png What are your thoughts on this?

That lots of people are morons.

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Post by 101404 »

peteretep wrote: post #96
eindiran wrote: post #43

> Doctors there were running "naked" as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. That is so rough, especially since some healthcare workers are now among the dead: specifically, I saw that Li Wenliang had died. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinese-doctor-w...

Last thing the CCP needs is martyrs against the state

The CCP media machine will know how to spin it.

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Post by oxymoran »

ekianjo wrote: post #125
cycrutchfield wrote: post #111

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Yet.

Several weeks already. How long does this super highly infectious disease take to spread outside of China? You have to wonder the claims made on transmission at this stage.

The disease takes about 2-3 weeks to run its course through each patient. It’s slow burning and mildly yet unpredictably lethal. That sounds innocuous but it is a recipe for disaster.

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Post by empath75 »

ComodoHacker wrote: post #224
chvid wrote: post #173

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I don’t understand what it is that the Chinese authorities are supposedly misreporting? The mortality rate of 2% is consistent with the number of cases and deaths reported by other countries. Is it that there are a large number of undiagnosed cases? That is kind of a given and is probably also the case in other countries. The timespan between first case and until it gets reported to who and quarantines start is less…

>The mortality rate of 2% As a reminder, don't mix this rate with case fatality (or lethality) rate, which is counted on ended cases and is about 30%. This is your real chance when you're infected.

There’s lots of people who aren’t going to hospitals and aren’t tracked. If it’s really a 30% fatality rate, we’re going to lose a billion people to this before it over.

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Post by nabla9 »

PeterisP wrote: post #228
nabla9 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US roughly half present of the population died. It killed roughly ~5% of the world's population. btw. I did not say WWII was the single cause for high mortality. Hygiene, malnutrition etc. contributed. And the virus itself had higher mortality rate than usual, but not as much as previously thought.

Do you have a source for that 8-22% of population died, which seems an extremely large, unrealistic number? E.g. https://www.quora.com/Which-country-was-most-affected-by-the... cites some resource which shows an estimate of 2.3 M people dead in Europe, and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634693/ shows an estimate of 2.6 M excess deaths in Europe i.e. 1.1% of population. The vast majority of the worldwid…

Sorry. Copied wrong numbers.

In europe 1.1%.

>Whatever is taken as estimation of the American pandemic death burden, it is well below the European estimations we provide and others have provided. A possible explanation is that, at the end of WW1, Europe was characterised by massive civilian and army movements, a health care system put at its minimum and frail populations. This has very likely heavily impacted the European death toll.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634693/

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Post by odiroot »

torgian wrote: post #144

My wife is mainland Chinese, and she has been saying that it a worse than what the government is saying. Also, since Li Wenliang died, well, frankly a lot of people are pissed at the CCP. Anyway, I feel like it’ll be an epidemic ( it already is, I believe ) in China, and be much better controlled outside of China. Unfortunately my wife is also stuck in Chongqing; Taiwan is essentially closing up its borders and we do…

My partner is currently in Taiwan. Can you share with me, where do you get reliable local news about the virus? Can be in Mandarin.

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Post by cycrutchfield »

baxtr wrote: post #162
cycrutchfield wrote: post #135

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First recorded patient in Wuhan was December 8. It’s been 2 months since then. Even exponential growth takes some time.

Don’t you think there is a difference when no one is aware (back in December) and the way it is now?

Not too much, no. But we will know who is right in just a few weeks, so we’ll see.

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Post by hef19898 »

ComodoHacker wrote: post #224
chvid wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what it is that the Chinese authorities are supposedly misreporting? The mortality rate of 2% is consistent with the number of cases and deaths reported by other countries. Is it that there are a large number of undiagnosed cases? That is kind of a given and is probably also the case in other countries. The timespan between first case and until it gets reported to who and quarantines start is less…

>The mortality rate of 2% As a reminder, don't mix this rate with case fatality (or lethality) rate, which is counted on ended cases and is about 30%. This is your real chance when you're infected.

You really should read up again on that...
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