Honestly if there is truth to this article it is reassuring. I've been scouring the darker corners of the internet obsessively for every seemingly reputable bit of data under the assumption that virtually anything official out of China could not be trusted. This doctor is working on the absolute worst of cases and even they, it seems, have a high overall probability of survival. Also good to see some figures on the p…
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Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU
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#62Did you see Eric Raymond having a completely normal one about novel Coronavirus? http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8587
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#63Honestly if there is truth to this article it is reassuring. I've been scouring the darker corners of the internet obsessively for every seemingly reputable bit of data under the assumption that virtually anything official out of China could not be trusted. This doctor is working on the absolute worst of cases and even they, it seems, have a high overall probability of survival. Also good to see some figures on the p…
I do the same. If you can read Chinese, I strongly recommend you read Sina Weibo, a micro-blogging social media in China, or Toutiao. Read them quickly before posts are inevitably deleted by the censors. There are some truly harrowing stories of ordinary people being refused treatment and left to die at home.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
As others have alluded to, I think you are confusing flu with cold.
I agree with the others, but I think we should note that these sorts of illness are not divided neatly into two categories, cold and flu. Besides the many different viruses grouped under "the common cold", there is a whole spectrum of bacterial infections whose symptoms look similar to, and interpolate between, the cold and flu. So there are other things someone could get that are like less severe version of the flu,…
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a something like 20% hospitalisation rate. That seems kind of scary compared to the flu which is "you have a sniffle, get over it."
Influenza is a serious disease that kills tens of thousands of people every year. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
EDIT: not to minimize the flu though. Comparing a flu to a cold is like comparing a migraine to a tension headache.
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#66Honestly if there is truth to this article it is reassuring. I've been scouring the darker corners of the internet obsessively for every seemingly reputable bit of data under the assumption that virtually anything official out of China could not be trusted. This doctor is working on the absolute worst of cases and even they, it seems, have a high overall probability of survival. Also good to see some figures on the p…
Isn’t Caixin Global a Chinese news source, almost certainly filtered? Do you have a reason to believe them more than the dark corners?
Moreover, while many terrible rumors ostensibly from educated and/or directly witnessing sources from the dregs of the web have turned out to be true, these sources are even less reliable than the CCP, given the propensity of netizens for exaggerating and/or deliberately spreading falsehoods. Which is to say reports out of China may not be that much less reliable than much of what is floating around and at this point, as ridiculous as I know it sounds, I'm almost willing to relax my suspicion and cling to slivers of hope.
The undesputed facts so far are grim. 80-90% of the Chinese GDP has been shut down, we still don't know with certainty just how contagious or dangerous the virus actually is, but it is obviously more virulent than any of the previous viruses from the Corona family, and if for whatever reason containment fails for an extended period of time in a region, you can expect severe social hardship. How long can China continue to operate at 10% capacity?
It is only prudent in my opinion to make at least minimal preparations now with 1-2 months of food and water before panic potentially sets in and stores are emptied. There is still a high probability that the virus will be sufficiently contained and minimally deadly, but this also is shaping up to possibly be the biggest threat faced by civilization in centuries, exceeding the Spanish Flu of the early 1900s. I'm about halfway through Gallaher's report linked in these comments (very thankful for it) and I hope I'm wrong, but even his numbers are understandably prefaced with uncertainty.
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#67Honestly if there is truth to this article it is reassuring. I've been scouring the darker corners of the internet obsessively for every seemingly reputable bit of data under the assumption that virtually anything official out of China could not be trusted. This doctor is working on the absolute worst of cases and even they, it seems, have a high overall probability of survival. Also good to see some figures on the p…
> I've been scouring the darker corners of the internet obsessively for every seemingly reputable bit of data under the assumption that virtually anything official out of China could not be trusted. I do the same. If you can read Chinese, I strongly recommend you read Sina Weibo, a micro-blogging social media in China, or Toutiao. Read them quickly before posts are inevitably deleted by the censors. There are some tr…
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
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The WHO also announced 5-6 days average incubation with a mortality rate around 3%.
In fact, there are clear politics at play here, as the WHO has only come out with massive praise for China's response, making no mention of the CCP's clear attempt to keep knowledge of the virus from spreading and the silencing of activists and the medical community at large by charging them with spreading false rumors. If China had taken proactive measures months ago instead of initiating a campaign of suppression things would be different now.
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#69Honestly if there is truth to this article it is reassuring. I've been scouring the darker corners of the internet obsessively for every seemingly reputable bit of data under the assumption that virtually anything official out of China could not be trusted. This doctor is working on the absolute worst of cases and even they, it seems, have a high overall probability of survival. Also good to see some figures on the p…
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#70Honestly if there is truth to this article it is reassuring. I've been scouring the darker corners of the internet obsessively for every seemingly reputable bit of data under the assumption that virtually anything official out of China could not be trusted. This doctor is working on the absolute worst of cases and even they, it seems, have a high overall probability of survival. Also good to see some figures on the p…
Isn’t Caixin Global a Chinese news source, almost certainly filtered? Do you have a reason to believe them more than the dark corners?
In times of a crisis like this, some signal will get through.