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Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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Fukushima reactor design was terrible. Like legit bad. I wonder if open source nuclear power plants plans are the future.

I'm a big advocate of open source but if a nuclear reactor based on an open-source project would be opened close to me, I'd pack up and move as far as I could.

Open source in this context would mean that the design is open for public review, not that random people get commit rights to the design data. An open source project could easier combine energineering efforts by several professional sources than a design created by a single company though.

Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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Renewables 2019: 46% Renewables 2000: 6% Coal + Gas 2019 40% Coal + Gas 2000 59% Fact: Germany reduced fossil fuels coal+gas and increased renewables massively. Gas itself has increased.

The graph shows 36% coal and 13% natural gas for 2016, meaning coal and gas for 2016 is 49%. There is the question of what this would look like if they didn't shut off their nuclear plants. It's my expectation that the nuclear would have replaced coal and natural gas. EDIT: Changed incorrect 2019 reference to 2016.

https://strom-report.de/strom/

Share of electricity production in Germany in 2019:

Coal 19.5% + 9.5%

Gas 10.5%

19.8 + 9.5 + 10.5 = 39.8%

Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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> Same thing happened in Germany. Germany turned to coal? It didn't happen. Germany actually turned to renewables. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Germany#...

It did happen. Germany has shut down most of its nuclear power generation and is phasing the rest out by 2022. So far, 'researchers [..] found that nuclear power was mostly replaced with power from coal plants, which led to [..] about a 5 percent increase in emissions.' https://www.wired.com/story/germany-rejected-nuclear-poweran...

Here are numbers:

Renewables 2019: 46%

Renewables 2000: 6%

Coal + Gas 2019 40%

Coal + Gas 2000 59%

Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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No energy source is 100% safe. People die when working on windmills and hydroelectric disasters are way more deadly than nuclear disasters. I think 100% safe is an unreasonable requirement.

if a windmill falls/explodes, the area wouldn't be unliveable and contaminated for centuries...

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Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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> Same thing happened in Germany. Germany turned to coal? It didn't happen. Germany actually turned to renewables. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Germany#...

"Turned to renewables" while burning 36% coal according to your graph. Yes, if they've always been using coal, I guess technically they didn't "turned to" coal, but how is it better? Meanwhile neighboring France, with its 70%+ energy generated from nuclear, generates about half as much CO2 per capita as Germany. Right now, and in the foreseeable future.

Germany sits on a huge pile of coal as its main domestic energy source. France doesn't.

Germany's industrialization has largely been driven by coal.

> Meanwhile neighboring France, with its 70%+ energy generated from nuclear, generates about half as much CO2 per capita as Germany. Right now, and in the foreseeable future.

In the foreseeable future France is reducing its share of nuclear and adds renewable. Reason: nuclear is too costly, too slow to build.

Germany has invested in renewable, since that scales better now and in the future. By investing into renewable Germany has also created a huge export market for this technology, that will have a large positive impact.

Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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Same thing happened in Germany. This is a really hard problem. I consider myself pretty pro-nuclear but it can never be 100% safe. I can't blame Japan for wanting out after Fukushima, but at the same time there has to be some kind of approach that balances short-term safety against the long-term consequences of carbonization.

The same thing did not happen in Germany. The increase in renewables more than made up for the decrease in nuclear.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...

Also interesting, between 2000 and 2010, before Fukushima, Japan had a large increase in coal use.

Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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Knowledgeable nuclear folks: Is there a way of designing safe nuclear plants in safe places in the world and efficiently exporting that energy to other parts within that same region? Thank you for your answers. I know v little on the subject but am a big believer in the inherent power that nuclear generates and its’ cost effectiveness.

Once you're past the distance where transmitting electrical power is feasible, you would probably have to store the energy chemically. In principle you could charge gigantic banks of lithium batteries and then ship the batteries, but that would require infeasible (probably ludicrous) amounts of lithium, and lithium batteries are a pretty inefficient way to chemically store energy.

Alternatively, it probably isn't cost-effective with current technology, but on a fundamental level, you could use a nuclear reactor to power a system that chemically recombined atmospheric CO2 and water back into hydrocarbon fuels. Unlike fossil-derived hydrocarbons, these hydrocarbons would be carbon-neutral since you'd be sourcing all the carbon from the same atmosphere that it would eventually be dumped back into. This is probably going to make sense for things like vehicles, aircraft, rockets, etc. long before it makes sense for power generation, but there are definite benefits. We already have all the necessary technology to burn hydrocarbons, meaning that any improvements in synthesizing hydrocarbon fuels can potentially eliminate the need to switch these things over to batteries or whatnot. Which may be extremely helpful if we run into serious resource constraints over lithium, or if we grow increasingly concerned with the environmental byproducts of lithium battery production.

Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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It did happen. Germany has shut down most of its nuclear power generation and is phasing the rest out by 2022. So far, 'researchers [..] found that nuclear power was mostly replaced with power from coal plants, which led to [..] about a 5 percent increase in emissions.' https://www.wired.com/story/germany-rejected-nuclear-poweran...

Here are numbers: Renewables 2019: 46% Renewables 2000: 6% Coal + Gas 2019 40% Coal + Gas 2000 59%

Are the obnoxious wood pellets that spread fine dust included in the renewables?

Give me nuclear any day.

Re: Japan Turns to Coal After Closing Nuclear Power Plants

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I would look at France's history, they are one of the most nuclear centric countries, with (relatively) few major accidents. In general, build a not-fancy light water reactor away from the ocean and major fault lines. We have the most experience with LWRs, and they are pretty safe except for the impact of major natural disasters. There are other reactor designs, but we really need more experience with them.

Yes let's look at France, closing down 14 reactors and investing in renewables: https://phys.org/news/2018-11-france-nuclear-reactors-macron... Time and money has ran out for nuclear.

It's a beautiful exercise in circular logic you have going here. If time and money have run out for nuclear, it's only because of the anti-nuclear activism people like you have been ignorantly spouting for decades. Your point is less of an argument and more an instance of gloating.
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