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Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by legitster »

twblalock wrote: post #47
legitster wrote: post #25

I'm disappointed by the typical Hacker News folks complaining about the presentation format. This isn't the target demographic, and I applaud trying different approaches to convey the seriousness of these issues. The kinds of people who just want a spreadsheet and a PDF report are already bought in on the ideas. While I find the format a bit cinematic for my taste, I can't help but respect their efforts to drive home…

Complaining about presentation formats, including the colors or fonts or use of scripts on linked articles, ought to be against the guidelines: it doesn't contribute to discussion about the content of the linked article and devolves into bickering.

This is being downvoted but, barring certain circumstances, I think I agree. There's an irony in a discussion about climate change going way off topic.

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Post by blobs »

While economy and consumerism are destroying our planet, we are complaining about the UX of an emergency call.. In other news stories I see participants of Extinction Rebellion being arrested by police as if they were criminals, while temperatures world wide are breaking all records and the ramifications are clearly seen almost anywhere on the planet. It just renders me speechless.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by EdwardDiego »

paulintrognon wrote: post #39

I live in France next to the Alpes and climate change is really real here. Next week it's expecting to rain on the ski slopes. In the middle of February! Lots of glaciers are gone. Many of my mountain climbing friends say they can't do the runs they used to because the terrain is getting too unpredictable. It's quite scary.

The man in the article commenting that his father could no longer read the weather because the signs were wrong is my personal experience too - I've been tramping and hunting in a particular area of our Southern Alps since I was a child, and everything I learned about predicting the weather there when I was young doesn't work now. It used to be that autumn was the time of year with the most stable weather - lots of clear skies, no rain, so ideal for crossing rivers.

But now there's a lot more northwest winds in autumn, which causes heavy rainfall that floods rivers. And likewise, the spring "monsoon" when continual nor'westers are the defining weather pattern (when I lived in an alpine village, 29 days of continual rain in November was the usual) now extends significantly into Summer. And of course, the rainfall events are getting more extreme, damaging roads and hiking infrastructure - like this: https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/fiordland/routeburn-closed-for...

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by sampo »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #2

Is there a text version of this thing? And it would be really nice if someone could do this for, say, Bangladesh, Yemen, or Guatemala where it's becoming life and death.

> Is there a text version of this thing?

Reader mode in Firefox (probably also in other browsers) gives just the text of the story, without the images.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by abootstrapper »

criley2 wrote: post #18
KineticLensman wrote: post #11

I find it really depressing that as I write this comment, the other top-most comments are complaining about the article's UX. Meanwhile we are radically altering the natural environment. As the TFA spells out, so superbly.

Well, this is HackerNews, started by a technology company accelerator focused largely on web applications, for which UX is a top line discussion point. The point being, the takes here are pretty on-brand.

I believe the hope is the smart technically minded people on HN might have some insight or way to innovate solutions to at least mitigate climate change. Unfortunately, the best we can come up with this thread are UX critiques. I think it just illustrates how daunting of a problem climate change really is.

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Post by bett3513 »

dghughes wrote: post #37

I'm certainly on the climate change team (if that's what you call it). But are articles like this good or bad? When confronting climate change deniers the standard response is "weather is not climate". Saying it's hot today or cold today isn't an indication of climate change. It's what occurs over hundreds of years but especially the last 150 years. It seems we are sending mixed signals saying that one day or a decad…

I disagree, I live in Southeast Australia and have never seen so many people accept climate change as real as this past summer.

If it takes a slight misunderstanding about weather relating to climate change to get immediate action, isn’t that a good thing?

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Post by admiral33 »

ako wrote: post #57
prostheticvamp wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the UX undermines the credibility journalists are usually given, earned or not. This looks like a story, or a propaganda piece. I wouldn’t be the first to point out that the medium is the message.

Seeing is believing, i think the UX with tons of pictures actually help the credibility and impact of the story. I think they choose the right medium for the message.

I agree, this is more of a slideshow than an article, and I don't think having it as an article with pictures would make it more plausible. The pictures tie in neatly with the content in a way that doesn't annoy me as much as other similar experiences have.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by 01100011 »

legitster wrote: post #25

I'm disappointed by the typical Hacker News folks complaining about the presentation format. This isn't the target demographic, and I applaud trying different approaches to convey the seriousness of these issues. The kinds of people who just want a spreadsheet and a PDF report are already bought in on the ideas. While I find the format a bit cinematic for my taste, I can't help but respect their efforts to drive home…

Well, this is hacker news. Expect us to complain as hacker news commenters would. Our complaints don't hurt the original article. We're just discussing how we feel about it. It was posted here and it's fair to debate how it relates to us even if we weren't the target audience

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by deanclatworthy »

What I have found more frustrating than those in denial of climate change lately, is those who deny responsibility. That the real problem is in other countries. India. China. America. Little old X in Europe can't possible be the ones that need to sort it out. Therefore there's no point changing our habits.

I feel a little hopeless in these discussions. I have little hope for change. I cannot argue against the fact that our impact in Europe will not be enough. This requires a global, concerted effort and it's hard to argue against the logic that it won't matter what we do in Europe if everyone else doesn't follow suit. We are just delaying the inevitable.

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