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Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by andrewla »

Swizec wrote: post #49
dghughes wrote: post #37

I'm certainly on the climate change team (if that's what you call it). But are articles like this good or bad? When confronting climate change deniers the standard response is "weather is not climate". Saying it's hot today or cold today isn't an indication of climate change. It's what occurs over hundreds of years but especially the last 150 years. It seems we are sending mixed signals saying that one day or a decad…

People react to stories, not data. Anecdotes bring global warming home in a way people can relate. People don’t change their minds if you throw a bunch of data at them. People change their minds if you make them feel.

People are also generally not that easily tricked. If you play up the "bring global warming home with anecdotes" game, then you're equally vulnerable to "hey, sure is cold today, what now, Al Gore?" Nobody will be convinced of anything by this sort of nonsense.

Weather is not climate. Even when it supports climate change.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by enraged_camel »

prostheticvamp wrote: post #30
legitster wrote: post #25

I'm disappointed by the typical Hacker News folks complaining about the presentation format. This isn't the target demographic, and I applaud trying different approaches to convey the seriousness of these issues. The kinds of people who just want a spreadsheet and a PDF report are already bought in on the ideas. While I find the format a bit cinematic for my taste, I can't help but respect their efforts to drive home…

I find the UX undermines the credibility journalists are usually given, earned or not. This looks like a story, or a propaganda piece. I wouldn’t be the first to point out that the medium is the message.

Journalists are usually not the ones who make UX decisions.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by gherkinnn »

smabie wrote: post #19
KineticLensman wrote: post #11

I find it really depressing that as I write this comment, the other top-most comments are complaining about the article's UX. Meanwhile we are radically altering the natural environment. As the TFA spells out, so superbly.

It’s not an article, it’s a slideshow with pictures. Who actually wants to consume information like this?

I liked it. Fight me.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by legitster »

prostheticvamp wrote: post #32
legitster wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A majority of humans.

True. That’s why powerpoints are so popular. I never stop hearing people rave about watching slideshows. They’re all like, damn, I’d love to get this information in slideshow format.

I mean, what is Instagram, Tinder, Facebook, etc other than a series of slides?

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by tasty_freeze »

dghughes wrote: post #37

I'm certainly on the climate change team (if that's what you call it). But are articles like this good or bad? When confronting climate change deniers the standard response is "weather is not climate". Saying it's hot today or cold today isn't an indication of climate change. It's what occurs over hundreds of years but especially the last 150 years. It seems we are sending mixed signals saying that one day or a decad…

On the section about the greater rainfall and the doubling of intensity, they ended with this text:

> We can't conclude that these isolated incidents are caused by climate changes. > > On the other hand, we can conclude that such incidents have already become more common. And that it will likely cost us several hundred billion NOK to arm ourselves against all this water.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by Invictus0 »

dghughes wrote: post #37

I'm certainly on the climate change team (if that's what you call it). But are articles like this good or bad? When confronting climate change deniers the standard response is "weather is not climate". Saying it's hot today or cold today isn't an indication of climate change. It's what occurs over hundreds of years but especially the last 150 years. It seems we are sending mixed signals saying that one day or a decad…

Climate change deniers cannot be convinced by science because their objections are not based on any facts. The science on climate change is unimpeachable and has been known as such for decades.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by ako »

prostheticvamp wrote: post #30
legitster wrote: post #25

I'm disappointed by the typical Hacker News folks complaining about the presentation format. This isn't the target demographic, and I applaud trying different approaches to convey the seriousness of these issues. The kinds of people who just want a spreadsheet and a PDF report are already bought in on the ideas. While I find the format a bit cinematic for my taste, I can't help but respect their efforts to drive home…

I find the UX undermines the credibility journalists are usually given, earned or not. This looks like a story, or a propaganda piece. I wouldn’t be the first to point out that the medium is the message.

Seeing is believing, i think the UX with tons of pictures actually help the credibility and impact of the story.

I think they choose the right medium for the message.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by Swizec »

andrewla wrote: post #51
Swizec wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People react to stories, not data. Anecdotes bring global warming home in a way people can relate. People don’t change their minds if you throw a bunch of data at them. People change their minds if you make them feel.

People are also generally not that easily tricked. If you play up the "bring global warming home with anecdotes" game, then you're equally vulnerable to "hey, sure is cold today, what now, Al Gore?" Nobody will be convinced of anything by this sort of nonsense. Weather is not climate. Even when it supports climate change.

Agree. My argument is that you have to explain climate in ways people can understand.

I think everyone will agree tht the tree line can’t be 100m higher just because it was warm one winter. Trees take a while.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by throwaway5752 »

3xblah wrote: post #42
throwaway5752 wrote: post #2

Is there a text version of this thing? And it would be really nice if someone could do this for, say, Bangladesh, Yemen, or Guatemala where it's becoming life and death.

"Is there a text version of this thing." Text-only browser is easiest way. links -dump https://www.nrk.no/chasing-climate-change-1.14859595 Netcat-like programs, or wget-like http clients, will also suffice x=$(echo y|tr y '\004'); curl https://www.nrk.no/chasing-climate-change-1.14859595|sed "s/ .*/ /;/./{/ /p;}' > 1.html firefox 1.html Add the 1080p videos to the end of the text: curl https://www.nrk.no/chasing-cli…

Thanks, someone already posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22270107 ... I asked for the same reason I need the text representation. I don't have time right now, but want to read it. I don't have any huge problem with site format or firefox, I just needed something more efficient.
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