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Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by reaperducer »

dghughes wrote: post #37

I'm certainly on the climate change team (if that's what you call it). But are articles like this good or bad? When confronting climate change deniers the standard response is "weather is not climate". Saying it's hot today or cold today isn't an indication of climate change. It's what occurs over hundreds of years but especially the last 150 years. It seems we are sending mixed signals saying that one day or a decad…

It also doesn't help when TV weathercasters† show graphics that list what the "normal" temperature is supposed to be for that day. There is no such animal. There is an average temperature for a particular date, but there isn't a single "normal" number.

† In America, few TV weathercasters are actual meteorologists anymore. Some stations will claim they are, but often they are not. One way to tell is to look for the AMS logo next to the person's name on-screen.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by 3xblah »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #2

Is there a text version of this thing? And it would be really nice if someone could do this for, say, Bangladesh, Yemen, or Guatemala where it's becoming life and death.

"Is there a text version of this thing."

Text-only browser is easiest way.

   links -dump https://www.nrk.no/chasing-climate-change-1.14859595
Netcat-like programs, or wget-like http clients, will also suffice

   x=$(echo y|tr y '\004');
   curl https://www.nrk.no/chasing-climate-change-1.14859595|sed "s/.*//;/./{//p;}' > 1.html

   firefox 1.html
Add the 1080p videos to the end of the text:

    curl https://www.nrk.no/chasing-climate-change-1.14859595|grep -o https[^\"]*1080p.mp4|sed 's/\\u002F/\//g;s/.*/
&/'|uniq >> 1.html

    firefox 1.html

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by floatrock »

smabie wrote: post #19
KineticLensman wrote: post #11

I find it really depressing that as I write this comment, the other top-most comments are complaining about the article's UX. Meanwhile we are radically altering the natural environment. As the TFA spells out, so superbly.

It’s not an article, it’s a slideshow with pictures. Who actually wants to consume information like this?

Visual photo-processing bandwidth is far higher than reading bandwidth, so in some ways it's the superior way to consume information.

It can also far more emotional and evocative, while reading can be more analytical.

Why not combine the two? After all, that is literally what advertising does -- give some message with an emotionally-charged visual to reinforce it.

I'm not saying this is advertising (though you could make that argument through a cynical lens), I'm saying it's using the same tools that have proven to work so effectively you see you billboards literally anywhere on earth where humans congregate.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by Sharlin »

prostheticvamp wrote: post #30
legitster wrote: post #25

I'm disappointed by the typical Hacker News folks complaining about the presentation format. This isn't the target demographic, and I applaud trying different approaches to convey the seriousness of these issues. The kinds of people who just want a spreadsheet and a PDF report are already bought in on the ideas. While I find the format a bit cinematic for my taste, I can't help but respect their efforts to drive home…

I find the UX undermines the credibility journalists are usually given, earned or not. This looks like a story, or a propaganda piece. I wouldn’t be the first to point out that the medium is the message.

Well, it is a story. Obviously the medium is designed to engage readers. This is not a scientific paper.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by rdiddly »

zzzeek wrote: post #3

the CPU used by my computer to display the first half a second of that web page just contributed to Norway's global warming problem

Let's not even think about the heat generated by friction from all those fingers swiping and mouse wheels spinning!

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by twblalock »

legitster wrote: post #25

I'm disappointed by the typical Hacker News folks complaining about the presentation format. This isn't the target demographic, and I applaud trying different approaches to convey the seriousness of these issues. The kinds of people who just want a spreadsheet and a PDF report are already bought in on the ideas. While I find the format a bit cinematic for my taste, I can't help but respect their efforts to drive home…

Complaining about presentation formats, including the colors or fonts or use of scripts on linked articles, ought to be against the guidelines: it doesn't contribute to discussion about the content of the linked article and devolves into bickering.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by asdasdasdasdwd »

prostheticvamp wrote: post #32
legitster wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A majority of humans.

True. That’s why powerpoints are so popular. I never stop hearing people rave about watching slideshows. They’re all like, damn, I’d love to get this information in slideshow format.

On the other hand give them a 10 page report and they'll put it down and never read it.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by Swizec »

dghughes wrote: post #37

I'm certainly on the climate change team (if that's what you call it). But are articles like this good or bad? When confronting climate change deniers the standard response is "weather is not climate". Saying it's hot today or cold today isn't an indication of climate change. It's what occurs over hundreds of years but especially the last 150 years. It seems we are sending mixed signals saying that one day or a decad…

People react to stories, not data. Anecdotes bring global warming home in a way people can relate.

People don’t change their minds if you throw a bunch of data at them. People change their minds if you make them feel.

Re: Global warming has begun to make Norway warmer and wetter

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Post by crmrc114 »

prostheticvamp wrote: post #32
legitster wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A majority of humans.

True. That’s why powerpoints are so popular. I never stop hearing people rave about watching slideshows. They’re all like, damn, I’d love to get this information in slideshow format.

Thanks for that, now cleaning coffee off my monitor. Good laugh.

Also: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/23/what-jeff-bezos-learned-from...

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