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Re: This person does not exist

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Post by 3Y7RaZUo » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 5:46 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #69

angrygoat wrote: post #42

Here’s the Guardian article which linked the site: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/feb/07/ai-in-the-ad... To my mind there is a massive need for us in the software world to pause and think about the ethics of all of this. Engineers more broadly have well developed ethical codes, we should too.

So are you saying software developers should have to take the equivalent of a Bar exam in order to practice software development in a given state? That way ethical code violations have teeth because you can be debarred. As of now anyone and their dog can practice software development and I'm not sure what a nebulous "ethical code" would imply for them.

That would be a horrible idea. Software developers should be encouraged to think about and discuss ethical issues by other software developers, employers, universities, and people in general.

We need increased awareness of ethics but we don't need more government involvement or any other form of coercion. Governments are already far less ethical then pretty much any other organisation or institution.

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by BlameKaneda » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 5:47 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #71

So, the specific person may not exist, but likely someone very, very similar in appearance does. I've come across people in life that I would have sworn were twins. I'm curious how combinatorically low the number of facial features need to be before people resemble one another.

Photographer Francois Brunelle has a photo series on people who look like they could be twins/related but aren't. Genetics is an odd thing.

https://www.chasejarvis.com/blog/me-myself-and-i-francois-br...

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by smegger001 » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:07 PM UTC

frogpelt wrote: post #104

draxofavalon wrote: post #68

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Also look at ears and earrings.

If they're wearing glasses do the glasses look they were beaten into shape with a mallet?

or melt into the face

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by Baeocystin » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:17 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #105

tomrod wrote: post #71

So, the specific person may not exist, but likely someone very, very similar in appearance does. I've come across people in life that I would have sworn were twins. I'm curious how combinatorically low the number of facial features need to be before people resemble one another.

I grew up in the midwest in an area where a lot of Germans settled many decades before I was born. Later in life I traveled to Germany and just felt ... comfortable. I didn't speak the language or anything, wasn't talking to a lot of people, I simply saw all these faces that I felt I knew... It was a very sudden change as I had already been to England, France, Italy and etc where things felt foreign and different. Th…

Similar situation, in that my family line is essentially 100% German, although I grew up elsewhere. When we visited my grandparents' home city, it was kind of a shock how much I looked like everyone else. It didn't make me feel particularly comfortable or uncomfortable either way, but it did surprise me how, well, related we all looked in a way that had never happened to me before.

My favorite part of the trip, though, was getting complimented on my English by other friendly but clueless tourists who asked me for directions and the like. I told them thank you, my parents were very insistent that I practice my English from a young age. Technically the truth! :D

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by jammygit » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:22 PM UTC

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #70

It has been interesting to see images clearly generated by this service (same artefacts, same resolution) start to flood online dating apps and social media profiles. Previously, fake accounts tended to use photos which could be reverse-image-searched to detect them. Luckily, it doesn't seem that this approach can be sensibly extended to generate entire scenes, or multiple entire-body photos from different angles. Be…

What is the license for these images? I can imagine them being handy for fictional character portraits

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by teddyuk » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:24 PM UTC

It would be really funny if someone managed to use someone’s phone camera to take a photo and make it look like the site was showing their own face.

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by not2b » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:36 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #44

speedgoose wrote: post #43

This has improved so much since the last time I checked it. It's interesting to see so high quality on image generation using neural networks, while text generation using gpt2, which seems a lot easier at first, is glorified nonsense.

Is part of it deliberate avoidance of women with both ears + earrings showing? That was one of the tells before...one earring or a mismatched pair. Now the women mostly seem to be in poses where you can only see one ear, or no ears (hair covering them). There is, this time, much less craziness with hair sprouting from the wrong places.

Since they are using an adversarial training method, perhaps the NN that is voting "thumbs down" could learn that mismatched jewelry means "fake".

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by twic » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:40 PM UTC

tachyonbeam wrote: post #113

ainiriand wrote: post #79

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Oh Jesus, it is like one of those Cronenberg movies.

You have to imagine some strong AI in 2030, video chatting with people using fake human avatars, and people can sometimes tell because there's weird fleshly artifacts moving in the background.

That's no weird fleshy artifact moving in the background, that's my wife!

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by mynameisfiber » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

alephnil wrote: post #137

codesternews wrote: post #49

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Check the background :D

In addition to the background, if you can see earrings, that is usually a giveaway. The generated faces seems to always have different earrings in each ear. Also glasses disappear into the skin, and ears are often different on each side and/or distorted.

It seems the model often doesn't do exactly round pupils either.

Re: This person does not exist

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Post by bumby » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:49 PM UTC

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #136

bumby wrote: post #101

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I've often wondered if software engineers would benefit from the accountability of licensing like other engineering disciplines, especially as it pertains to safety critical systems. It's a bit shocking for me to know a mechanical, electrical, or civil design in, say, a power plant may require a Professional Engineer to officially stamp it but any ol' software engineer can write code on that system and fire it up. My…

This was a big debate in the 90s. The "industry" headed it off at the gates (partly thanks to communication media such as ... usenet :) It might resurface, but I expect to hear the same arguments used against it, all over again. I'd be suprised if it ever came to pass in the same sense as PE requirements.

What were the main arguments back then?