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MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by jmull »

nujabe wrote: post #15

What's disturbing is that Apple seem to be deleting posts: After attempting to be part of the solution; spending a ton of time testing, providing information in the community, communicating with Apple Engineers and Apple Business Team, our most recent post was deleted as "Speculative". We have spent over $300,000 on Apple hardware over the years both business and consumer and now our voice has been muted. How can we…

Considering the existence of the long support thread, Apple doesn't seem to be trying to suppress this issue. And that poster has many posts, so isn't being targeted either.

Could it be the posts were deleted legitimately?

Some people in that thread are pretty angry and may have let it get the better of them.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by securityfreak »

alwayseasy wrote: post #34
lqs469 wrote: post #21

Cook is a complete businessman, best at cutting costs, increasing profits and attracting customers to buy more. Don't forget that memory began to weld on the motherboard because this can only be replaced and not upgraded. He was a businessman, not an engineer or a designer, and that was the beginning of apple's decline.

What metric are you using to point to Apple's decline since Tim Cook came into the company? Product lines, revenue, customers, market cap, employees, daily client interactions, brand value, customer satisfaction?

I believe he is using the far more superior metric, called “subjective perception”.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by dman »

desdiv wrote: post #42
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why I buy gaming laptops for my work needs even though I don't play games. Their heatsinks are generously sized resulting in good thermals and acoustics.

I use a similar trick: I try to find a laptop that comes in both discrete-GPU and integrated-GPU configurations, and both version must share the identical chassis. This way, when I buy the integrated version, I know the chassis has been designed with the heavier airflow of the discrete-GPU version in mind. If I'm lucky, my integrated-GPU config might even use the identical size heat-sinks as the discrete-GPU version.

What laptop are you using currently?

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by ulfw »

baybal2 wrote: post #14

What can I say as a person somewhat close to electronics engineering: Look at that single skinny heat pipe, it will get saturated very fast. Second to that, look at those tiny radiators, they are clearly not capable to discharge the full heat flux. I simply don't see any signs of proper thermal engineering there. Apple says "we are listening now, and here is a new cooling design," then it comes out to be even less ad…

Erm yea or maybe don’t put high wattage, almost-desktop-class, processors in a laptop. People need to decide if they want a comnputer for easy portability or a desktop or pseudo-desktop.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by shadowfiend »

rorykoehler wrote: post #49
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can tweak the touch bar to put e.g. volume control on the 'home screen' if you prefer; it's hard to find though, it's under Keyboard, then the Customize Control Strip button at the bottom.

I just checked. Unless I'm missing something there is no simple volume control like on the physical keyboard? I already have the volume button on my touchbar home screen however tapping it opens a slider. I don't want or need a slider and have to do a tap and then slide to get the volume down whilst before it was one press of a button. This usually requires me to look away form what I'm doing. It's definitely a step…

You can tap-hold-slide to adjust across the whole range, rather than tapping then hunting for the slider. You can also set the touch bar to show an expanded control strip by default (which includes a volume up/volume down/mute triple) if you want.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by masklinn »

splatcollision wrote: post #50
gnudad wrote: post #28

This appears to be a software bug in macOS or AMD's drivers. Plugging in an external monitor at certain resolutions (1440p@60Hz in my case) will cause the AMD GPU to draw 18-20W constantly, no matter what it's doing. This causes the total system draw to increase from ~10W to ~30W. All that heat has to go somewhere. If I change the resolution of my external monitor to 1080p the AMD GPU drops to ~4W and the fans are qu…

Can you share how you're measuring GPU power draw? I have just migrated to a 16" MBP with the AMD chip, and also use an external display some of the time. Have noticed the fan noise and heat but it hasn't been a problem yet.

I’d guess they measure total draw and compare against their baseline eg when they say the GPU draws 20W it’s 20W more than whatever the draw is when only using the internal display.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by lallysingh »

bilekas wrote: post #43
lallysingh wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got a new MBP (from work) and an x1 yoga personally. The X1's running Linux and frankly works beautifully. The mac's "quirks" aren't counterbalanaced anymore by being the only reasonable unix laptop solution. They're just an annoying PITA.

The Yoga is nice, I have one too, but there was no option to add a dedicated video card, and this issue with the MBP always seems to stem from the dedicated cards.

Yeah until I see emacs able to offload elisp to the GPU I have no interest in a dedicated card...

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by dman »

alwayseasy wrote: post #34
lqs469 wrote: post #21

Cook is a complete businessman, best at cutting costs, increasing profits and attracting customers to buy more. Don't forget that memory began to weld on the motherboard because this can only be replaced and not upgraded. He was a businessman, not an engineer or a designer, and that was the beginning of apple's decline.

What metric are you using to point to Apple's decline since Tim Cook came into the company? Product lines, revenue, customers, market cap, employees, daily client interactions, brand value, customer satisfaction?

Choice as a customer - choice of upgrading the RAM, choice of getting to keep the data in case the motherboard fails, choice of picking a non genius bar repair shop, choice of looking at product schematics, choice of being able to buy legitimate spare parts for Apple products

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by nileshk »

gnudad wrote: post #28

This appears to be a software bug in macOS or AMD's drivers. Plugging in an external monitor at certain resolutions (1440p@60Hz in my case) will cause the AMD GPU to draw 18-20W constantly, no matter what it's doing. This causes the total system draw to increase from ~10W to ~30W. All that heat has to go somewhere. If I change the resolution of my external monitor to 1080p the AMD GPU drops to ~4W and the fans are qu…

I have medium-to-high fan noise/RPM consistently when connected to an Apple TB display (2560x1440@60Hz), but it's much quieter when connected to a 2560x1600@60Hz monitor. So if it is very specific resolutions, but not necessarily higher resolutions in general, that matches my experience.
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