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Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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Before I write out my tips, I'd like to say this: there is a big difference between being 'narcissitic' the way you have described it, and having Narcissitic Personality Disorder. There is a lot of confusion on that subject.

Having said that, there are a lot of things someone can do, and no single one of them will be a panacea. There are three things I would suggest, and third one, while very effective, is probably too "out there" for people. I will offer it here and let you decide.

The first is the practice of mindfulness meditation. That you are aware enough of your pattern is a great start. Although the point of mindfulness meditation is to awaken to one's true nature of being, there are fringe benefits when it comes to realizing how sensations and feelings arise within us. It is this fringe benefit that lets us be aware and make changes to our core being. Without mindfulness meditation, it is difficult to make any lasting changes to ourselves.

The second, is that you might want to consider seeking a therapist who can work with you on this. There are many modalities. Not every one will work. But issues such as taking things too personally actually has a lot to do with being insecure and overcompensating for that. This can be combined with the mindfulness practice. I understand that there is a perceived stigma to going to therapy ... it might help to view this as going to a coach, who can help you be the best you while having healthy, functioning relationships with others.

The third, and most "out there" is something that really requires the first two suggestion. This having an acupuncturist needle some specific points. But it can't just be any acupuncturist. Not all acupuncturists are sensitive to subtle energy, and for this to work, you'll need to find one who is. Not only that, someone with the knowledge to work on what are called the "extraordinary meridians". Working with those are not covered under the accredited acupuncture schooling needed to receive a license to practice acupuncture. It most definitely falls outside of evidence-based medicine.

But if you do manage to find such a person, they can work on these meridians, some of which are directly regulating one's self-esteem, being overly critical of other people, being able to take feedback, listening to others, etc. The pair that is most directly related to that are what are called the "yin qiao" and "yang qiao" meridians.

The thing is, to get the most out of it, you may need therapeutic help as well. Successfully triggering this will shift things, bring up memories, change how you feel. You might not feel like yourself.

Thing is, when I used this method for myself, it was the thing that finally improved the relationship I have with my wife.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#262

I don't think something like that is fixable; maybe another way of saying it is, most basic animals are built like this by design - it's a feature, not a bug. We evolved to become the biggest and strongest, and a very effective part of that is "fake it until you make it"; be bold and have confidence! Developing a more global and rational perspective is super expensive and our ape brains already consumed way too much…

Oh, it is very much fixable. A lot of what we think are animal instincts are actually subject to a lot of influences and can be tweaked any number of ways.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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Meditation + psychedelics? If you have a strong intention to change, it's pretty left field but I'd consider taking that intention to peru and drinking ayahuasca at a retreat. The effort poured into meditation will help you become aware of your behaviours and why they are there, which is the starting point - accepting that you have the problem rather than pushing it out onto people around you. I believe that's a grea…

I know some narcissists that are deeply into taking a variety of drugs. Drugs are definitely not helping them at all.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#264
If you were a narcissist, you probably wouldn't notice or didn't want to fix it. I think this is part of the definition.

But being egocentric is probably normal for some parts of the population.

I fixed this by only hanging out with people who interest me. So I would genuinely hear what they have to say. This also led to most men disappearing out of my life. Somehow I don't find men interesting.

Also, I started being an interesting person myself, so people would be actually interested if I would speak about me. I mean, it one thing to bore everyone around you, but if they want you to talk, why not do it?

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to counter the "therapists are great" theme that I'm seeing here. I think they're a waste of money. Cognitive behavioural therapy is a great tool. With practise and courage you can use it to reform the way you think. It won't fix something like schizophrenia but it might be useful for a narcissist who wants to change.

> I think they're a waste of money. This is a valid opinion, but it would be better presented with some evidence to support it. When someone says "A therapist really helped me." then their opinion carries its own evidence. They are a living evidential proof of their claim. (At least, to the degree that you accept that the commenter is honest and able to correctly measure their own quality of life.) But when you say "…

>When someone says "A therapist really helped me." then their opinion carries its own evidence.

that's only true for individuals which you do not believe to be affected by choice-supportive bias[0], which is , more-or-less, non-existent as far as humanity is concerned.

If someone buys therapy, and they feel as if their quality of life has been improved by the purchase, great, but that's not a quantifiable justification of much without normalizing out inherent bias in the decision making process; a process that isn't as simple as 'an opinion as evidence'.

[0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#269

Perhaps the closest opposite to narcissism is humility. One way to really experience humility is to inject yourself into something truly foreign where money is an insufficient remedy. I don't know what that humbling experience will be for you. For me it was living in Afghanistan for 2 years, of which one of those years I traveled frequently and spoke with many people there. It doesn't matter how much money you make a…

I think the problem is that those with narcissistic tendencies avoid anything they aren’t good at doing. They don’t like learning new things, being a noob is unbearable. Or so I’ve read.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#270
post #262

I don't think something like that is fixable; maybe another way of saying it is, most basic animals are built like this by design - it's a feature, not a bug. We evolved to become the biggest and strongest, and a very effective part of that is "fake it until you make it"; be bold and have confidence! Developing a more global and rational perspective is super expensive and our ape brains already consumed way too much…

Oh, it is very much fixable. A lot of what we think are animal instincts are actually subject to a lot of influences and can be tweaked any number of ways.

It's "fixable" at the surface level of course, and this is expected of anyone in a basic functioning society.

In another thread about how it's legal in Germany to try to break out of jail because it's human nature (literally this is the legal justification!), I made the point that it's also sometimes human/animal instinct to murder, rape or steal. We are expected to overcome these instincts in daily life, and so IMO it should be no different in jail...

As "normal" humans we will always have these animal natures talking to us. It's nothing to be "fixed", it's something to be accepted, understood and managed. They called this being a Gentleman (for men) and being a Lady (for women), given the values of the time.

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