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Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#11
The good news is that you are more selfish than narcissistic. A selfish but honest person would say "I do not't care about other people getting hurt until it affected me." A narcissist says "It is all their fault that I got hurt and they deserve their suffering!". Call mere selfish narcissistic and "true" narcissism capital N narcissism if you like rather than fight a losing battle as a pedant vs a colloquial tide but keep in mind the personality disorder is a different animal in spite of resemblances.

As others advised empathy is likely a better area of focus. The approach there varies from person to person and for a variety of reasons even unpacking the types of "empathy" cobflated together. Higher functioning sociopaths are good at reading people's emotions but don't necessarily care about them. A well socialized one does the right thing for "wrong" reasons. Someone autistic may not be in sync with sending or receiving emotions and signs but they will be upset to learn they inadvertently hurt someone. Anyway that tangent aside from someone on the spectrum here are some techniques.

I tend to try to "universalize" my perspective as a view from outside. It has its own frustrations (knowing that even if you are right there is no way to outright prove that will trust) admittedly and I am not an expert in human interaction. My coping methods are more "sociological" than personal interaction level. Pitfalls include probably not being very good for your confidence - I say probably because of being uncertain what is preexisting and sample size of 1.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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There are various forms of subconscious emotional healing work that can vastly improve the way you interact with others, as well as your own emotional balance and self-regard.

I've been undertaking this kind of work for about 7-8 years and counting.

Some examples are Holotropic Breathwork, Ericksonian Hypnosis, and kinesiology-based practices like Psych-K.

There are many, and it's worth trying different ones until you find one that you connect with.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#14
Congratulations on realizing this! It really is a big deal to see it. Most people don't even do this, they just live it out without even realizing. You might check out the book which is considered the introductory text to the "4th Way" work,"In Search of the Miraculous" by PD Ouspensky.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#15
Seeing a therapist might be infinitely better than reading a book, and not just for narcissism. We're all broken in our own wonderful and unique ways.

I've been seeing a therapist for 5 years now, and the positive impact this has had in my life and on my general self-awareness can't be overstated.

As engineers and tech people we have one tool that has proven incredible useful in our careers: our brilliant rational minds. So we tend to think that we can solve any problem in life with this tool. Turns out we can't; thinking that therapy is somehow beneath us is pure hubris.

I also resisted therapy for a long time as a matter of principle. In high school I learned about the id, ego and super-ego, and in my 17 year old wisdom I thought "This is all bullshit! Did the guy open someone's head and see three parts? No! This is all made up!" Being unquestionable older and hopefully wiser now, I've understood that "all models are wrong, but some are useful"[0]. And therapy happens to have some useful models to offer.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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post #8

For book suggestions I would suggest the old classic: “How to Win Friends and Influence People” Talks about active listening, and remembering things about others. As for generally not being as narcissistic, I think you’re already on the right track. 90% of being aware of other people, is being aware that you’re sucking up the airtime. Conversations are dances, both parties need to be engaged

IMO it's really obvious when someone's applying the strategies in that book without addressing their underlying behavior. One of my bosses had the dark triad traits, and it was painfully obvious that he was following the book's advice to the letter. Referring to people by name often and the like doesn't mask narcissistic behavior, it just makes a narcissist appear dishonest.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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post #8

For book suggestions I would suggest the old classic: “How to Win Friends and Influence People” Talks about active listening, and remembering things about others. As for generally not being as narcissistic, I think you’re already on the right track. 90% of being aware of other people, is being aware that you’re sucking up the airtime. Conversations are dances, both parties need to be engaged

This is a great recommendation, but if a person with narcissism were to pick up this book, they could easily turn into one of those slightly creepy & very transparent "overly nice guys". It's a great start, but if overdone, you can push people away even more.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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The biggest and most important step is realising you have a problem and wanting to change. I was a bit like what you describe during high school and late teens, but I saw it not only affects my personal relationships - it doesn't align with my moral code. It's very hard to recognise narcissism in yourself, but you have done it. I'm pretty sure from here the way to overcome it is straightforward. And don't beat yourself up too much, everyone has a bit of narcissism in them, you just have a bit too much. You will work through this - I'm sure.
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