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Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by AlbertoGP »

mucholove wrote: post #17

Sacrifice my ass. Their incompetence led to a province and its people being hung out to dry. They let this problem get out of hand—and now the people there suffer. How? They ignored the doctors who attempted to report the problem on New Year’s day. They (the CCP) take no precautionary measures until their political regime is threatened. So many things done wrong—including maintaining wet market controls up a few year…

For those interested in knowing more about this, from people that have lived in China for a long time, had families there, and have daily contact with others that still live there, I recommend these videos:

“Coronavirus: the lies and the truths” (29th of January) “Let’s look at a timeline of what’s happened to see how slowly it has been dealt with, and how the information was actively suppressed.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSIt496d82s&t=1m2s

“Coronavirus - Doctors arrested for revealing the truth” (31st of January) “So by now you’ve undoubtedly heard that, right in the beginning, a number of people were arrested for spreading rumors when they first tried to discuss the fact that there was a new virus going around in China. Turns out these people were all doctors.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Iz7HLpYg&t=0m12s

Winston, the author of the second video, is in fact married to a Chinese doctor, and they keep in touch with their doctor friends in China. He also worked for years organizing training sessions for doctors all around China, so they both have direct knowledge about how those things work there and direct communication with people currently dealing with the situation on the ground.

They have more recent videos, but those two are the first ones I recommend watching. Their channels are: - laowhy86: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChvithwOECK5g_19TjldMKw - serpentza: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg - ADVChina (their joint channel): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNPa8fSXzzAZuT9859GVhg

Edit: a brief take on this from the BBC (4th of February): “... well, we know that some warnings were ignored or silenced. Let’s focus on this doctor, he was working at Wuhan central hospital and noticed seven cases that he thought looked like SARS (that’s a virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003) and in December he posted a warning about a potential outbreak in a chat group with fellow medics. Shortly afterwards he was summoned by Police and accused of making false statements, and being told he’d severely disturbed the social order. He was then given this document to sign. [...] «We solemny warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRggIb5Je_w&t=4m0s

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by chance_state »

corndoge wrote: post #48
bitbrewer wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not agree. Government everywhere makes mistakes under emergencies. Just look at past responses to hurricanes in the US and the current wildfire in Australia. Maybe you could say every government is incompetent. But the fact is that China reported the cases very early to WHO, get the genes mapped very quickly, and decisively locked down Hebei. So I would say so far China has shown competence and resolve, against a…

Here in Australia the general sentiment is that the response has been good relative to the magnitude of the fires. At some point nature overwhelms any government.

Did the Australian government lie to the world and their own people about how bad the fires were and arrest people who posted on social media about them?

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by ourlordcaffeine »

bitbrewer wrote: post #28
mucholove wrote: post #17

Sacrifice my ass. Their incompetence led to a province and its people being hung out to dry. They let this problem get out of hand—and now the people there suffer. How? They ignored the doctors who attempted to report the problem on New Year’s day. They (the CCP) take no precautionary measures until their political regime is threatened. So many things done wrong—including maintaining wet market controls up a few year…

Do not agree. Government everywhere makes mistakes under emergencies. Just look at past responses to hurricanes in the US and the current wildfire in Australia. Maybe you could say every government is incompetent. But the fact is that China reported the cases very early to WHO, get the genes mapped very quickly, and decisively locked down Hebei. So I would say so far China has shown competence and resolve, against a…

Did you miss the part when they arrested doctors who reported the virus because they didn't want to deal with the virus during a local government meeting and banquet?

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by coblers »

hurrdurr2 wrote: post #36

The amount of virulent (pun intended) hatred of the Chinese government really shows here. Can't say it's not well deserved but you can at least give them some credit for the quarantine.

Credit? They only acted because they had to. Doctors were arrested weeks before for "spreading rumors". Their inability to act has led to this thing spreading beyond their borders.

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by coconut_crab »

Back in the 60s, my father went to China to continue his study (our country was being ravaged by B52s every days). Just after he arrived, he and his classmates were put under quarantine for 1 month as a Meningitis epidemic was spreading. They spent the every days locked in the house, with a serving of guanzhong medicine in the morning. It was a shock to all the Vietnamese there, as it's basically house arrest. China has been using quarantine as a tool to prevent epidemic spreading for a long time, ignoring all the hardships of the people inside.

Oh and it was during the Cultural Revolution too, so they were executing counter revolutionary people behind the school every afternoon (this was after the epidemic). Needless to say it left a very bad impression of China gov on my father.

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by hurrdurr2 »

sliken wrote: post #40
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #36

The amount of virulent (pun intended) hatred of the Chinese government really shows here. Can't say it's not well deserved but you can at least give them some credit for the quarantine.

They new about it for weeks, 5M people left Wuhan, and then they started the quarantine. You think that should be praised?

It's so easy to simply arm chair general this kind of event isn't it?

Right now most of China is locked down... look at it this way, people are genuinely suffering and dying over there in droves and not so much over here. I can at least be appreciative of their sacrifice.

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

chance_state wrote: post #34
bitbrewer wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not agree. Government everywhere makes mistakes under emergencies. Just look at past responses to hurricanes in the US and the current wildfire in Australia. Maybe you could say every government is incompetent. But the fact is that China reported the cases very early to WHO, get the genes mapped very quickly, and decisively locked down Hebei. So I would say so far China has shown competence and resolve, against a…

Did you create your account specifically to parrot CCP propaganda, or is that just a coincidence? Literally every single comment on your profile is pro-CCP, anti-US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by hurrdurr2 »

coblers wrote: post #54
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #36

The amount of virulent (pun intended) hatred of the Chinese government really shows here. Can't say it's not well deserved but you can at least give them some credit for the quarantine.

Credit? They only acted because they had to. Doctors were arrested weeks before for "spreading rumors". Their inability to act has led to this thing spreading beyond their borders.

Compared to their idiotic response to SARS this is at least better.

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by cjslep »

raxxorrax wrote: post #49

You can only lock down a city in a dictatorship. So I certainly would not approve of this behavior. Additionally any speculation about the effectiveness of the quarantine is futile in my opinion.

What? US state and federal emergency responders have plans and tools for locking down a city, too.

Re: China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus

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Post by zozbot234 »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #57
chance_state wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you create your account specifically to parrot CCP propaganda, or is that just a coincidence? Literally every single comment on your profile is pro-CCP, anti-US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Please don't do this here.
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