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Quick question: if you summon Model 3 and car gets in an accident, would Tesla pay for the repairs?
No. You agree that you are in control of the car.
How do you control the car if you're not even in it?
Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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I have mixed feelings about this. I realize the number and types of sensors that exist in Waymo's cars provide far more data to the driverless car. But then when I really think about it, humans have been driving with only 2 sensors (eyes) for a long time with relatively good success. With the improvement of computer algorithms to help the cars make better decisions than humans, I'm not 100% sure if the long-term solu…
>humans have been driving with only 2 sensors (eyes) for a long time with relatively good success. 1.25 million die a year in road accidents. We should try to do better than human.
Sure, but if we can match that number of fatalities with self driving cars it will inarguably be a success from a utilitarian standpoint.
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Some care is needed when choosing priors in a hierarchical model [such as Bayesian], particularly on scale variables at higher levels of the hierarchy. The usual priors such as the Jeffreys prior [1] often do not work, because the posterior distribution will not be normalizable and estimates made by minimizing the expected loss will be inadmissible. [1] In Bayesian probability, the Jeffreys prior is a non-informative…
But we have a lot of statistical information and can use reasonable priors about the world. Ie objects don't spring into existence or disappear or fly around at 400 mph or change direction at 2000 gees.
> Accordingly, the Jeffreys prior, and hence the inferences made using it, may be different for two experiments involving the same theta parameter even when the likelihood functions for the two experiments are the same—a violation of the strong likelihood principle.
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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When the alleged dangers are scary/obvious, and the benefits hard to comprehend, easy to oppose. I remember when credit cards, caller ID, online shopping, tax software, etc were all new. Each was loudly denounced as evil for various reasons; eventually the benefits became so obvious that we all now use those techs with little concern - even though many/most of the concerns were warranted. Just became too convenient t…
> I remember when credit cards I have one because I need it for online booking, my first one was revoked because I apparently cost them more by not using it enough. I practically don't see a significant benefit, most places accept other forms of payment. > caller ID faked and missing all the time. > subject to a machine built of (per A.C.Clarke) pure magic. As a software dev. I really would feel much safer with pure…
You're the anomaly.
Most people find "swipe and pay later" far more convenient, "pizza shop already knows where to deliver" & "oh it's Joe, I'd better answer" far more convenient, etc. Yes they're imperfect, but the flaws aren't "all the time" - they're lost amid the overwhelming convenience.
Opposite your "complex piece of software that can reliably control a car" is "humans who damage/injure/maim/kill other drivers with alarming frequency" (but the aforementioned overwhelming convenience mitigates our concern). Sure we want "no significant bugs", but rapidly reaching the point where even the existing & concerning bugs are better than facing distracted/drunk/debilitated/dumb human drivers.
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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Your comment makes no sense. Besides the fact that this is showing Lidar scans with depth and 3D textures (does look cooler), the relevant part which is feature detection is a lot poorer. It doesn’t seem to detect lane markers or boundaries, sidewalks, traffic signs, or show path estimates like you can clearly see in the Tesla video. Plus the texturing implies the route is pre-mapped while Autopilot is doing all the…
In the Waymo video there are vector narrow lines added on top of the broken white line of the image view, there are also a vector boundary of the centered line and boundaries, and 3D box for cones. You are clearly not looking closely enough, or might not want to.
But still - there are Tesla's driving everywhere, including ones with autopilot enabled, and I have yet to see the first Waymo car on the road...
The technology might be/seem superior, commercially Tesla has cleary won the race..
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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Quick question: if you summon Model 3 and car gets in an accident, would Tesla pay for the repairs?
This already happened several times after they first rolled out the feature a few months ago (minor accidents). No, Tesla did not pay (nor would I expect them to).
I wonder how courts decide on that...
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In the Waymo video there are vector narrow lines added on top of the broken white line of the image view, there are also a vector boundary of the centered line and boundaries, and 3D box for cones. You are clearly not looking closely enough, or might not want to.
But still - there are Tesla's driving everywhere, including ones with autopilot enabled, and I have yet to see the first Waymo car on the road... The technology might be/seem superior, commercially Tesla has cleary won the race..
>Tesla has cleary won the race..
But Waymo is pilot-testing autonomous taxis and Teslas have a "greater than zero chance" of making it to your destination without intervention.
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Waymo is at least 5 years ahead of Tesla. They are running driverless self driving cars already on city streets. My Model 3 can’t even navigate a parking a lot half the time I use the summon feature.
In one very small geo, waymo is maybe 1-2 years ahead.
Tesla hasn't even started the certification process for self driving in any state. Without seeing disengagement reports and looking at how long it took summon to get released to market after initial preview(3 years), 5 years is being optimistic for Tesla. Realist would say they'll never be self driving with the current sensor setup. All the cars that farthest along by looking at miles driven between disengagements are all lidar based cars.
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What are these levels you are referring to? We drive just fine with two cameras.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Classificatio...
That doesn’t have anything to do with the technology used to implement it.
I might have mis understood the OP’s point with their parenthetical remarks.