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EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Ahh yes an expensive legislative bill is how we solve that problem, instead of a 5$, breakout cable from Amazon or most corner convince stores.

Exactly. Less hassle, less wasteful, disposable electronic junk.

The costs of the ink this regulation will be printed on will cost more than whatever its attempting to save.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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> Also: doesn't the government have more pressing concerns to worry about? Sounds like "why spend money on NASA when we have poverty here on earth?". Governments have a lot of people and a lot of resources and can work on more than one thing at a time. > Apple has kept working on improving the charging experience for its phones over time And it will continue to do so. Except it now has to convince others to adopt its…

Yes but why is it so bad to let companies choose what charging cables they provide? You get a free charging cable usually when you purchase a new phone and charging cables are cheap. I get the environment argument but I don't see how this moves the needle on protecting the environment. If anything it could scare off tech companies from developing charging cables that are better for the environment.

> Yes but why is it so bad to let companies choose what charging cables they provide?

We did and they unanimously made the worst and most uninnovative solutions for costumers.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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So what specific kind of USB-C cable will be allowed to be packed with my next shiny for the decades to come? What kind of USB-PD will the phone be allowed to support and - if the phone supports a higher voltage/amperage combination than the EU fixed in 2020 - will I have to buy an additional cable to support this? How did we ever switch from SCART to HDMI after the EU forced the TV manufacturers to only support SCAR…

Macs come with usb-c. Why can’t iPhones be also usb-c? I’m not sure I fully understand why everything in the world can’t be usb-c?

One day they might be, but they probably think switching now is too soon. Like the person above said, lightning came out before UBS-C. Apple switched from their long https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_connector#Apple_30-pin_... only 8 years ago. Everyone had to throw away their docks and charging cables. Now just 8 years later you want them to make everyone throw all those away again? Wikipedia says the 30 pin connector lasted from 2003 to 2014, so let people use the things they paid for a couple more years. Maybe Apple will come up with something better than USB-C in that time.

Lightning being a better connector than USB-C doesn't help.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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It’s a cable. Having a genuine Apple certified cable means no more than buying a cheap HDMI cable instead of the $50 Monster cable back in the day.

Apple licenses the connector and validates it via a chip. I entirely get what you're saying. But the chip is counterfeit, so the company doesn't pay the licensing cost, that's why the cable is "so cheap". Nothing to do with audiophile-esque tendencies. More that your 5 pack of cables would cost $14+(5*$4, the current license price) if it were that way. No-one's disputing that you can buy cheap cables that will work (…

Whether are not the cables are quality or not is different than whether they are licensed. You would make the same decisions if they use USB C with regard to quality.

It’s amazing that the same people who are worried about not having genuine Apple certified cables are probably the same people who want Apple to open up the iPhone to allow side loading.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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It’s already like that for electric cars. See Tesla’s Superchargers.

No, I mean today it's standard regulated connectors for phones, tomorrow it could be standard regulated connectors for cars.

And the day after that it could be standard regulated removable batteries for tablets, laptops and phones...

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Seeing that Apple is always bragging about their 90%+ retention rate, not many people are switching from iOS devices and throwing away cables. But is “think about the environment” the new “think about the children” and “terrorism” war cry for more regulation and big government?

Apple is the only company that defied the EU. The fact that we have 2 standard cables (apple and USB) instead of the past's 15+ is solving 99% of the problem. The regulation set out to do something and the problem is basically solved. It worked.

So are you saying that none of the Android phones I see on Amazon that don’t use USB C are sold in the EU?

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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That is an order of magnitude exaggeration. Lightning appeared in 2012. USB-C appeared in 2014. 20 years means we'd apparently still be waiting for another 12 years for USB-C. Hardly helps your argument.

USB-C is a complete mess. The physical appearance of the connector is nice, but the design by committee that resulted in invisible but critical differences is horrible. You cannot tell by looking at a cable or devices you are trying to connect or charge of the cable will provide the needed bandwidth or voltage. Two cables might look identical but one won't work at all for what you need and you have no way to tell.

There is an easy solution to this, either require all cables be the same specs or require that cables have their specs labeled. It's already an improvement over the past where every device had a different cable, I can at least slow charge instead of no charge.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Well, not that it's relevant to the topic at hand, but if they do so, I'm leaving the ecosystem. Not being able to charge from a backpack or a car is a non-starter for me. I go weeks without plugging my phone into the wall, but when I need it, I really need it.

Apple has worked on wireless proximity charging where the device merely needs to be within a few feet of the charger. I hear there are serious engineering challenges that make this hard to achieve but I don’t think they will remove the port with the current QI charging experience. Maybe there will be a charging battery you can just throw in the same bag as the phone and the phone will charge.

My iphone X does this; works fine. It's not that "wireless" -just a shitty transformer, but it's nice.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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I’ve ordered them, they work.

I would debate that. They have 40% 1-star reviews like "BUYER BEWARE", "Doesn't work", "Absolute garbage", "Trash", "Stopped working after a week"

So now are you saying that you are in favor of Apple’s “Walled garden” to ensure quality? If you are worried about quality cables that must pass some type of certifications doesn’t that argue for proprietary cables where Apple ensures the quality?

Shouldn’t in that case Apple lock down cables more?

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Just like 32 bits for IP addresses should be sufficient for all use cases?

Well, there's the rub: 32 bits for IPv4 was clearly inadequate. IPv6, on the other hand, gives us with 128 bits = 3.4 x 10^38 addresses, which seems from our vantage point like it should cover us until the end of time, even if we colonized the whole galaxy. Is that actually the case? Time will tell. ;)

But that's just the point. When they decided on 32 bits, then it was more than sufficient for the intended use case. If we had stuck to universities and government uses, then we probably still wouldn't have run out.

Things change or evolve, and often in ways not foreseen.

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