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EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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This is a good move. Finally my partner and I, with apple and android devices respectively, can share chargers if need be. it's a pity that Apple didn't play ball voluntarily, and had to be ordered to be nice.

Lol. What if the standard turns out to be lightning?

Then it still will be standard and OP will be able to share the charger with their partner.

But there is no way Lightning could be a standard because only Apple is using it.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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"I know what is best for you and me, so I'll force you to make the chargers I want" I don't think Apple are the biggest assholes in this situation.

So, to be clear, your position is that the very concept of regulation is illegitimate? "I know what is best for you, so I'll force you to make the car safety features I want".

Also whats best for me is rarely ever universal. People really love to jump on the wagon for things like universal Healthcare in the states. You don't need Healthcare in your 20s. Most people don't, they need something like a disaster insurance with high deductables so that if it turns out they are in the statistical minority and get cancer in their 20s they do t get fucked. They don't need regular subsidized hospital visits they pay thousands of dollars I insurance premiums for so they can have a 20$ year checkup... It's

The idea here is that "of we regulate it people will have access to safer livelihoods" the reality is that you are raising the barrier to entry for that particular lifestyle and in effect reducing lower class socio economic accessibility. Just because the feds mandate all new cars have backup cams doesn't mean people can afford the costs associated with it. People should have the ability to leverage risk to better their financial well being. Anything else and you have no class mobility and no autonomy.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

#293

This is a good move. Finally my partner and I, with apple and android devices respectively, can share chargers if need be. it's a pity that Apple didn't play ball voluntarily, and had to be ordered to be nice.

Ahh yes an expensive legislative bill is how we solve that problem, instead of a 5$, breakout cable from Amazon or most corner convince stores.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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I thought all these EU tech regulations might do some good But now when I arrive at any website I have to accept cookie policy, then I have to accept that they will invade my privacy and log my data (or waste half an hour un-checking boxes) and only then can I get down to the business of not signing up to their newsletter and not downloading their app. Maybe this is simpler but tech companies seem to find loopholes f…

The alternative is much worse which every company tracking you with your consent. It was scary to see what data Facebook collects on you if you are logged out.

I suspect the EU will introduce new legislation in due course, but of course, they are heavily lobbied too by the tech industry, so it may take some time.,

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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I think Apple genuinely believe that they can provide a better product, and I believe they can too. I just don't care. The inability to borrow cables or swap them between devices in the past was a not insignificant hassle. Keeping boxes of cables, not being able to borrow a friend's charger when visiting, not being able to replace cables except by ordering a new one from the manufacturer half a world away. Constant m…

Agreed. Also let's remember that Apple makes a pretty penny off of all those cables and chargers.

More worrying to me, the charging port on this iPhone is wearing out. Simply buying a new cable does nothing to fix that because the springs are in the phone.

Lightning is a crap proprietary design from my point of view. If it was USB-C I could just change the cable.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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And then wait 20 years for everyone to agree?

That is an order of magnitude exaggeration. Lightning appeared in 2012. USB-C appeared in 2014. 20 years means we'd apparently still be waiting for another 12 years for USB-C. Hardly helps your argument.

USB-C is a complete mess. The physical appearance of the connector is nice, but the design by committee that resulted in invisible but critical differences is horrible. You cannot tell by looking at a cable or devices you are trying to connect or charge of the cable will provide the needed bandwidth or voltage. Two cables might look identical but one won't work at all for what you need and you have no way to tell.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Wall sockets are standard - but what about the other end?

My point is that at this point, benefits of standartisation outweight benefits of marginal innovation. What are you actually saying? "if a toaster doesn't work off USB C, neither should an iPhone have to?

If consumers would agree, people would stop buying Apple products because of this. Apple would be forced by the market to adopt the same connector. Clearly none of that is happening because nobody cares. If it's a big issue for someone they can just not buy an iPhone. That option already exists.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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I’m saying that the analogy is flawed. There has never been a mandate or standard for the device end of a power cord.

It's not an analogy, it's a general principle: we put a standard in place in important industries with mature technology. Your car has a standard interface to a petrol pump. Fire engine has a standard interface to a fire hydrant. Some people believe it's time for a standard interface between a phone and a charger.

Those are all examples the market would solve really well. If some car manufacturer were to release a car that cannot be filled up at a regular petrol pump, nobody would buy the car. Those isn't happening with phones because clearly not enough people care.
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