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EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by Can_Not »

scarface74 wrote: post #376
swilliamsio wrote: post #281

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Because it would be more convenient for everyone who has ever or will ever own more than one phone, or ever upgrade their phone. Imagine if you needed an adapter to refuel your car, or to plug an electric device into a wall. Genuinely, how is this any different?

And if someone sold a car that needed an adapter, people using their own free will would choose not to buy it. It’s amazing what people can do without needing the nanny state.

Technically the "nanny state" was for the corporations who proved they couldn't get their shit together.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by defnotashton2 »

seszett wrote: post #304
defnotashton2 wrote: post #284

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I don't understand how you can think this is needed in the slightest unless you literally can't make a decision yourself. I'm sorry but you can buy a USB cable or adapter to charge any phone in the world at any gas station, or corner convince store. This just simply isn't a problem, it's not a quality of life issue. It's just not. Buy cables with breakout mini, c, and tbunderbolt for 5$. Solved. This type of regulati…

I'm not sure you understand how the situation was before manufacturers standardised on micro USB. Back then, you usually had zero chance of finding a compatible cable with your phone unless your went to a specialized store. Different models by the same manufacturer had different cables, even different versions of the same model often had different cables as well.

Was there industry standardized naturally, the problem was solved...

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by Can_Not »

scarface74 wrote: post #198
sho_hn wrote: post #188

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That's an obnoxious and immature way to jump into a conversation. I didn't touch on government action anywhere, nor the comment I was responding to. I understood the parent post as arguing that having a unique cable isn't so bad because you get one for free with the device, among other things. While this is true, my counter is that having a single cable over multiple devices is still nice.

Seeing that the entire submission is about government regulation....

I'm guessing you have a problem with the government regulating lead out of your chicken noodle soup, too?

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by scarface74 »

Symbiote wrote: post #355
scarface74 wrote: post #215

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We don’t have to reach for other industries. Electricity in the home is definitely “mature” yet we never saw the need for the government to mandate a standard for a plug on the device end.

The "other end" almost always has IEC connectors in Europe. Is this not the case in your country? If there's no regulation enforcing this, it's because the EU doesn't think it's necessary — the industry has agreed upon a standard without intervention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320

I have multiple laptops and various other gadgets that use different connectors.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by scarface74 »

Can_Not wrote: post #381
scarface74 wrote: post #376

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And if someone sold a car that needed an adapter, people using their own free will would choose not to buy it. It’s amazing what people can do without needing the nanny state.

Technically the "nanny state" was for the corporations who proved they couldn't get their shit together.

We’ve seen what happens when corporations can’t get their shit together - VHS/Beta Blu-ray/HD-DVD - the market decided. We didn’t need government to mandate a standard.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by defnotashton2 »

pas wrote: post #362
defnotashton2 wrote: post #292

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Also whats best for me is rarely ever universal. People really love to jump on the wagon for things like universal Healthcare in the states. You don't need Healthcare in your 20s. Most people don't, they need something like a disaster insurance with high deductables so that if it turns out they are in the statistical minority and get cancer in their 20s they do t get fucked. They don't need regular subsidized hospita…

I live in a country with universal health care. I haven't seen my doctor in 3-4 years. And last time I saw him it was because the flu or a particularly nasty cold. People pay a fixed percent of their income into the HC system. Furthermore, while you are attending school (university, college, whatever), you are automatically covered. There was a small token copay system for a few years about 10 years ago, that helped…

Proved my point. If it costs 100$ to not be desperately poor, and you make 100$ and the Gov takes 60% of your 100$ you still only have 40$. Doesn't matter if the tax is a flat % or not you still don't have the money to not be poor. All so that you could visit the doctor 1 every 5 years for a flue without having to pay..

Alternatively If you lived freely, you could make 100$, decide you pay 60$for insurance if you want to feel safer and get the benefits from that service orrrr you could say "man I don't need that service right now in my life, so I'm going to invest that money instead while I'm young" and then not be poor..

Yea 50 years ago when nobody had health insurance the bodies piling up were a burden on society because everyone was dying because nobody could afford medical treatment..

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by scarface74 »

Can_Not wrote: post #383
scarface74 wrote: post #198

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Seeing that the entire submission is about government regulation....

I'm guessing you have a problem with the government regulating lead out of your chicken noodle soup, too?

Last time I checked, a lightning cable vs USB c didn’t pose a health hazard.

The government also made interracial marriage illegal as recently as 50 years ago and same sex relationships illegal as recently as the 80s.

You’ll have to excuse me if I’d rather not give the government power unnecessarily.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by Can_Not »

scarface74 wrote: post #225
markdown wrote: post #219

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No. Because it would be better for the environment.

Seeing that Apple is always bragging about their 90%+ retention rate, not many people are switching from iOS devices and throwing away cables. But is “think about the environment” the new “think about the children” and “terrorism” war cry for more regulation and big government?

Apple is the only company that defied the EU. The fact that we have 2 standard cables (apple and USB) instead of the past's 15+ is solving 99% of the problem.

The regulation set out to do something and the problem is basically solved. It worked.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by MockObject »

wyattpeak wrote: post #190
veeralpatel979 wrote: post #127

I'm with Apple on this one. Apple has kept working on improving the charging experience for its phones over time. The original iPhone cable, then lightning, then wireless charging. This stifles innovation. Also: doesn't the government have more pressing concerns to worry about? I doubt Apple's lobbying against this for some nefarious reason, like locking users into their proprietary technology.

I think Apple genuinely believe that they can provide a better product, and I believe they can too. I just don't care. The inability to borrow cables or swap them between devices in the past was a not insignificant hassle. Keeping boxes of cables, not being able to borrow a friend's charger when visiting, not being able to replace cables except by ordering a new one from the manufacturer half a world away. Constant m…

I want to agree. But then I realize how any times a day I'm forced to dismiss pesky cookie warnings, and I wonder what unintended consequences will arise from this cable ruling too.

Sure, none come to mind right now, but then, I never though I'd be groaning past two dozen cookie dialogs per day, either.

Re: EU lawmakers snub Apple's pleas, vote to push for charging cable standard

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Post by atlantacrackers »

Twixes wrote: post #262
scarface74 wrote: post #187

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So because it would be more convenient for you we need government intervention?

Making life convenient is kind of one of the things that governments should do for their citizens. And intervention is the only way to make that XKCD strip about standards not true.

Wow. This is a shockingly silly world view.
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