Airbus ran ‘massive’ bribery scheme to win orders

Post by 7952 » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 11:10 AM UTC

manfredo wrote: post #86

ekianjo wrote: post #80

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Nobody goes to jail for "lobbying" in the US while it is clearly about the same thing as bribery. Just a legal form of it.

While lobbyists have sometimes bribed officials through gifts and perks, which is illegal, lobbying is not bribery. Say you're interesting in promoting renewable energy. You and like minded people put together resources to promote renewable energy to politicians, explaining its benefits. This activity is lobbying for renewable energy.

Post by nikhizzle » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 11:18 AM UTC

indymike wrote: post #137

cryptica wrote: post #132

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>> You and like minded people put together resources to promote renewable energy to politicians Unlike corporations and their biggest shareholders, regular people don't have resources to influence politicians. Any lobbying attempt backed by non-corporate interests will not be able to reach politicians' ears. Politicians have no time for groups/think thanks which don't have a track record of paying up after politician…

As a regular person, I've spent $400 to travel to DC and walk in and meet with 12 senators and congressmen. No donations required and I got to spend an hour with each as and even got treated to lunch by one of my states US reps. Got the policy change,too. So many people are way to cynical. Lobbyists show up and citizens do not. When a citizen shows up (and is rational) legislators listen.

Post by pasiaj » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 11:24 AM UTC

ShorsHammer wrote: post #139

manfredo wrote: post #86

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While lobbyists have sometimes bribed officials through gifts and perks, which is illegal, lobbying is not bribery. Say you're interesting in promoting renewable energy. You and like minded people put together resources to promote renewable energy to politicians, explaining its benefits. This activity is lobbying for renewable energy.

If you convince their constituents to whom they are beholden, sure. Behind closed doors, not at all, I very much agree with GP, there's a lot of pernicious shit going on that is actively harming democracies across the globe. Corporate lobbying is for the most part a well-funded, knowledgeable adversary generally in opposition to a bunch of people who at best can sign some petitions or march in the streets. It's an as…

Post by misja111 » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 11:26 AM UTC

ryanlol wrote: post #144

fnord77 wrote: post #6

> Airbus for years conducted a “massive scheme to offer and pay bribes”, involving very senior executives, according to disclosures in courts in Washington DC, Paris and London, as Europe’s aerospace champion agreed to pay €3.6bn in penalties to regulators in France, the UK and the US. So nobody went to jail, though

Is bribery really harmful enough to necessitate custodial sentences? Especially in the EU, where our criminal justice systems aren’t nearly as unreasonable as in the US.

Post by easytiger » Sat, Feb 01, 2020, 11:31 AM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #138

This is really US taking down strategic competitors. It's nothing new. It's foreign policy, america first, double standard or whatever you want to name it.