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Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by rendall »

krapp wrote: post #113
SuoDuanDao wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is straightforward third century gnosticism. Granted, the Matrix was inspired by that religion, but it's funny to see these old beliefs come back and be taken so literally.

The funny thing is, even if the universe was a "simulation" of some sort, there's no reason to assume that simulation is literally code running as software inside a computer as we understand those terms - yet people who believe in simulation theory seem to assume exactly that. It's understandable that the God of the gaps would be replaced by belief in ghosts in the shell in the modern day, but it's also sadly mundane…

Agreed! Such a succinct way of putting it. That has been my problem with the simulation hypothesis too. It seems like such a failure of imagination. What if the beings who "run" us live in a universe that intersects with 143 spatial dimensions and 23 time dimensions, and their "computer" is actually a by-product of some other process, and they aren't even really aware of it or us, and are not even really sentient in a way that we would understand. Can it really be said to be a "simulation" at that point? How strange would it have to get for the word "simulation" to be meaningless? I have a feeling that whatever is going on is far more bizarre than anything we can possibly imagine.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by stronglikedan »

monadic2 wrote: post #79
filmgirlcw wrote: post #21

They only had 150 active users (despite 1000 signups), so choosing not to pay for the offering makes sense. I have the utmost respect for CERN as an institution — I want to make that clear. What I don’t love, however, is this trend that seems to be using a PR offensive of “price shaming” whenever contract or license terms change. I understand CERN is publicly funded and that it doesn’t have an unlimited budget. But I…

You can’t shame a company.

Tell that to Kaepernick and Nike.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by toast0 »

tudelo wrote: post #95
someonehere wrote: post #52

Fun fact. This tool was being developed internally at FB about ten years ago. They really couldn’t figure it out back then and it sounds like they can’t figure it out today. Internally before it was Workplace it was a decent tool that integrated with the public facing site. Unsure of how Workplace works today.

It works really well inside of FB -- good way to collaborate, teams have their own groups and then there are cross team groups etc. There can be a little too much information, but there are not many complaints in general about the productivity it brings. Not sure how well it works in other companies.

I guess it must work well for some people inside FB. For me, it was just another high noise, low signal thing to try to remember to check: email, workplace, workplace messenger, irc, wierd automated smses with links I couldn't load and I couldn't quite figure out but at least stopped after I quit, whatsapp messages (where i worked), sometimes phone calls and people coming to my desk. Plus diff reviews and task tickets, which theoretically sent notifications through whatever, but since it's so full of garbage, you just have to check.

Of course, you can't actually rely on workspace notifications either, if you really want to know if another team did something, you need to skim through all their posts. Of course, if you asked someone directly, they would send you to their group feed, like an outsider would be able to skim it with ease.

I may still be unpacking a bit

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by ryanmercer »

rendall wrote: post #121
krapp wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing is, even if the universe was a "simulation" of some sort, there's no reason to assume that simulation is literally code running as software inside a computer as we understand those terms - yet people who believe in simulation theory seem to assume exactly that. It's understandable that the God of the gaps would be replaced by belief in ghosts in the shell in the modern day, but it's also sadly mundane…

Agreed! Such a succinct way of putting it. That has been my problem with the simulation hypothesis too. It seems like such a failure of imagination. What if the beings who "run" us live in a universe that intersects with 143 spatial dimensions and 23 time dimensions, and their "computer" is actually a by-product of some other process, and they aren't even really aware of it or us, and are not even really sentient in…

>and their "computer" is actually a by-product of some other process, and they aren't even really aware of it or us,

Wouldn't it be hilarious if we were effectively a random number generator on some kid's toy?

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by toper-centage »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #86
danpalmer wrote: post #37

The thing I personally found difficulty about Workplace is that it uses the same dark patterns as Facebook to increase engagement. For a business tool this is a bad thing. A tool that requires none of my time to get benefit out of is a better tool than one that requires some of my time. Workplace drained time with patterns like unnecessary notifications, email notifications without the actual content in and prompts t…

It's also a bad thing for a "civilian tool"

Of course, but much harder to quantify in terms of productivity and money lost unless you time-track all your life to know how much money your off time is worth.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by JohnFen »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #21

They only had 150 active users (despite 1000 signups), so choosing not to pay for the offering makes sense. I have the utmost respect for CERN as an institution — I want to make that clear. What I don’t love, however, is this trend that seems to be using a PR offensive of “price shaming” whenever contract or license terms change. I understand CERN is publicly funded and that it doesn’t have an unlimited budget. But I…

> But there seems to be an insinuation that Facebook should continue to give CERN access for free

I didn't interpret the announcement as insinuating any such thing. It looked like a fairly comprehensive summary of a cost/benefit analysis to me.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by JohnFen »

rendall wrote: post #121
krapp wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing is, even if the universe was a "simulation" of some sort, there's no reason to assume that simulation is literally code running as software inside a computer as we understand those terms - yet people who believe in simulation theory seem to assume exactly that. It's understandable that the God of the gaps would be replaced by belief in ghosts in the shell in the modern day, but it's also sadly mundane…

Agreed! Such a succinct way of putting it. That has been my problem with the simulation hypothesis too. It seems like such a failure of imagination. What if the beings who "run" us live in a universe that intersects with 143 spatial dimensions and 23 time dimensions, and their "computer" is actually a by-product of some other process, and they aren't even really aware of it or us, and are not even really sentient in…

> Can it really be said to be a "simulation" at that point?

Nope. And even if our reality really is a "simulation" in the sense that we're just the result of a program running on a computer, that simulation is so comprehensive that I don't think it could be called a simulation at all. It's just a different layer of reality.

If you perfectly simulate something, after all, you haven't simulated it at all -- you've created the real thing.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by Barrin92 »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #21

They only had 150 active users (despite 1000 signups), so choosing not to pay for the offering makes sense. I have the utmost respect for CERN as an institution — I want to make that clear. What I don’t love, however, is this trend that seems to be using a PR offensive of “price shaming” whenever contract or license terms change. I understand CERN is publicly funded and that it doesn’t have an unlimited budget. But I…

price shaming is just communicating information about a product you have used to other market participants. Even if you very aggressively price-shame that's just a signal that you were an unsatisfied customer, which is valuable input for everyone else. Feedback of whatever kind is how markets function so I don't think it makes sense to criticize it as long as it is their genuine opinion.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by pbalau »

mstade wrote: post #119
pbalau wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't get automatically added to all groups (or any), some other human, that works with you, does that.

Oh, I didn't know that. Still, since everyone seems to add everyone to all of the things in our workplace then, the effect is the same – just a bunch of noise and an endless turning off of notifications. I just logged in and again had 100+ notifications from groups I've never heard of before, nor subscribed to. My feed is full of stuff that's of no meaning to me, and so the whole thing becomes useless. Maybe it's use…

But you can't blame the product for this, can you? You wont blame email because people you work with are adding you to all the mailing lists, are you?

Yes, fb could do a better job at explaining how to use their product, but maybe there is an opportunity here...

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