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Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by pushpop »

JorgeGT wrote: post #72
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's basically stating that influencers should get free stuff; CERN is a company that handles hundreds of millions, and I don't believe they're too poor to pay for services.

Services that are possible because that "company" chose to put the WWW in the public domain: https://cds.cern.ch/record/1164399# Can you imagine, if CERN had patented HTML, HTTP, the Web server and the Web browser?

Without wanting to sound dismissive to the massive contribution Tim Berners-Lee, and CERN as a whole, has made to IT; we’d probably have ended up with the same user experience we have today but with Gopher as the base tech. Or maybe something else entirely different from markup perspective, such as something RTF or s-expressions...?

Great technological advancements are rarely the work of one genius in isolation. Usually it requires the imagination of a great many people to be captured. By which point the world is already ready for such an invention so it becomes more of an evolutionary breakthrough rather than a one idea that couldn’t be recreated.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

saalweachter wrote: post #76
codeduck wrote: post #70

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> And especially CERN? These guys have info and tech to end life. Wat.

They have both hammers and phone books, I'm sure.

Probably a few ladders and some cleaning agents capable of creating slippery floors scattered around their facility as well.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by mjburgess »

pbalau wrote: post #58
mstade wrote: post #47

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We use workplace too and this mirrors my experience precisely, especially the bit about notifications. It seems you can't control it either, you can turn off individual workspaces or whatever they call them, but new ones are added by default it seems so it's a cat and mouse game. Given it's so noisy, and full of the same dark patterns as regular Facebook, it's all but useless in sending out comms across the wider org…

> We use workplace too and this mirrors my experience precisely, especially the bit about notifications. I have a solution for you: https://imgur.com/a/QnIsBUw Even better, if you go to https://my.workplace.com/groups/ you will see a list with all groups you are part of with options, for each group, to control the notifications, follow settings and leave the group. On the same page there is a button to bulk manage gr…

"let it be noisy"

So you think it's the user's responsibility to manage ?

They disagree.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by n0rbwah »

pbalau wrote: post #58
mstade wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use workplace too and this mirrors my experience precisely, especially the bit about notifications. It seems you can't control it either, you can turn off individual workspaces or whatever they call them, but new ones are added by default it seems so it's a cat and mouse game. Given it's so noisy, and full of the same dark patterns as regular Facebook, it's all but useless in sending out comms across the wider org…

> We use workplace too and this mirrors my experience precisely, especially the bit about notifications. I have a solution for you: https://imgur.com/a/QnIsBUw Even better, if you go to https://my.workplace.com/groups/ you will see a list with all groups you are part of with options, for each group, to control the notifications, follow settings and leave the group. On the same page there is a button to bulk manage gr…

The fact that some (supposedly) technical users on HN are annoyed by this noisiness should be enough to tell you that the system's badly designed and that you can't expect most users to configure their feeds the way they'd ideally want it, even if the tool allows for it.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by martin_a »

texasbigdata wrote: post #78
welly wrote: post #74

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It sounds to me like you're comment shaming!

Geez. I guess I'll leave your safe space and we'll both the better off. Semantically, any discussion point that is arbitrarily elevated to outrage is now disallowed? Obviously off topic here, and ignoring certain perhaps universally accepted things that are disallowed, this stance seems stifling. The whole concept of "micro aggressions" or whatever that means.....just seems like virtue signaling. But YRMV.

I think welly was making a joke.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by TremendousJudge »

danpalmer wrote: post #37

The thing I personally found difficulty about Workplace is that it uses the same dark patterns as Facebook to increase engagement. For a business tool this is a bad thing. A tool that requires none of my time to get benefit out of is a better tool than one that requires some of my time. Workplace drained time with patterns like unnecessary notifications, email notifications without the actual content in and prompts t…

It's also a bad thing for a "civilian tool"

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by zaarn »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #82
saalweachter wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have both hammers and phone books, I'm sure.

Probably a few ladders and some cleaning agents capable of creating slippery floors scattered around their facility as well.

I'm pretty sure you can kill people with their particle accelerator too if the particles hit you. You'd probably be int he vacuum of the accelerator though so unsure if you'd notice.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by bathtub365 »

texasbigdata wrote: post #73
mkolodny wrote: post #34

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There's nothing wrong with dropping an internal tool because you don't want to pay for it. Posting about it publicly is a different story. I'm not seeing why they would post about it publicly unless they wanted to put public pressure on Facebook to let them keep using it for free. To me, that's price shaming.

Price shaming? Are we really going there?

Who else will protect the public image of large corporations and their pricing models?

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by JorgeGT »

pushpop wrote: post #81
JorgeGT wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Services that are possible because that "company" chose to put the WWW in the public domain: https://cds.cern.ch/record/1164399# Can you imagine, if CERN had patented HTML, HTTP, the Web server and the Web browser?

Without wanting to sound dismissive to the massive contribution Tim Berners-Lee, and CERN as a whole, has made to IT; we’d probably have ended up with the same user experience we have today but with Gopher as the base tech. Or maybe something else entirely different from markup perspective, such as something RTF or s-expressions...? Great technological advancements are rarely the work of one genius in isolation. Usua…

I agree, but if you patent certain processes, concepts, etc. early on, you can get filthy rich as everyone has to license your technology.

Re: CERN Ends Trial of Facebook Workplace

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Post by bipson »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #46
arethuza wrote: post #22

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Given what was invented at CERN you think Facebook would have the decency to give them a free license!

That's basically stating that influencers should get free stuff; CERN is a company that handles hundreds of millions, and I don't believe they're too poor to pay for services.

Utter nonsense - CERN is neither a company, nor has it millions to give out.

Do you have any idea how multi-national government-funded research institutions work?

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