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Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by opless »

claudeganon wrote: post #24
Aperocky wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/biolab/World Trade Center/ s/biolab/Apollo/ ‘Number of suspicious elements’ Even the VOA has came out to classify this as a hoax. Sometimes people just want to believe in conspiracies.

Yes, I hate conspiracy theorists who ridiculously claim that governments tested out things like toxic chemicals, radioactive substances, and pathogens on civilian populations throughout the entire 20th century: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentat...

It's not even funny that the UK had this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_blood_scandal_in_...

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by izzydata »

Fomite wrote: post #34
allovernow wrote: post #2

There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

- Every laboratory exposure-related outbreak I've encountered has been trivially easy to trace back to that event. - Most high-end virology labs are doing research on human to human transmission of corona viruses. They're a major emerging type of virus we don't understand, and a Chinese lab working on them is even less surprising. - If this was a bioweapon, it sucks .

Originating from a lab doesn't necessarily mean it is a weapon. Only that they have poor sterilization or something.

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Post by threeseed »

superzamp wrote: post #29
allovernow wrote: post #2

There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

Currently reading a (French) book regarding France-China industrial espionage and relations that was published well before the virus outbreak. Funnily enough, the author describes quite extensively how this P4 in Wuhan came into existence and all the subsequent problems faced by France to get China to honor the deal. I quote/translate: "In the course of these fifteen years, China has several times failed to live up t…

As I mentioned in another thread. I worked at a facilities department at university with an infectious disease research lab.

We had incidents where there were system failures eg. Air filtration.

It can just be a simple accident that the China government is covering up because they know their population would turn on them.

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Post by jmccorm »

diminish wrote: post #11

> “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey asserts. What's the original source for the "Wuhan seafood market" hypothesis?

Gao Fu, the director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control. I believe this was based on the activities of those first infected along with matching environmental samples at the market. Hope this helps explain the attribution better.

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Post by knolax »

NathanKP wrote: post #3
allovernow wrote: post #2

There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

Medium account was suspended...

Article's still up for me and in the comments you have a bunch of people stalking some researcher the article mentioned. It's the Boston Marathon Bomber all over again.

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Post by tinodotim »

NathanKP wrote: post #7
prostheticvamp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s up for me.

Must still be a cache somewhere for you. When I try to view it, it says "This account is under investigation or was found in violation of the Medium Rules."

Interesting, I visited it from IPs from all around the world through different desktop browsers and it's available everywhere BUT there is no author and no author bio.

If that's (kind of) on purpose that's really weird, to suspend somebodies account but leave the article up and remove all the author references. Anybody from medium on hn :)?

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Post by dk1138 »

Fomite wrote: post #34
allovernow wrote: post #2

There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

- Every laboratory exposure-related outbreak I've encountered has been trivially easy to trace back to that event. - Most high-end virology labs are doing research on human to human transmission of corona viruses. They're a major emerging type of virus we don't understand, and a Chinese lab working on them is even less surprising. - If this was a bioweapon, it sucks .

Trivially easy to trace, sure. But the Chinese government bay be highly motivated to prevent disclosing or allowing discovery of that.

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Post by dang »

Aperocky wrote: post #17
allovernow wrote: post #2

There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

s/biolab/World Trade Center/ s/biolab/Apollo/ ‘Number of suspicious elements’ Even the VOA has came out to classify this as a hoax. Sometimes people just want to believe in conspiracies.

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by hnuser123456 »

Aperocky wrote: post #27
allovernow wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article before you dismissed this? The links are a little more substantial than 9/11 conspiracies. And the mechanism is far less far-fetched, considering that on at least one instance SARS was confirmed as having escaped a research lab much like the one in question. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20040423/china-sars-death

There are 23 genome publicly available, And it’s closely identifies with existing coronavirus from bats and are further away from SARS. I am not a biologist, tell me should I trust the existing science or your story? It was said that the virus might not have originated from the market itself, people who actually raised or caught these wild animals might have gotten it first. But to make a jump from that to the biolab…

The CDC still recommends circumcision for "health" reasons, so they definitely are part of the system.

There's a bio lab there studying Coronaviruses, industrial accidents happen all the time, it's not hard to believe.

Blatantly calling out such an accident with government departments probably wouldn't bode well for relations.

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