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More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by orf »

notyourwork wrote: post #40
orf wrote: post #13

Looking at those numbers, isn’t the EU the most desired place to migrate to? Feels odd to not split the USA into its member states while splitting Europe up. How many of those potential migrants want to move to Texas vs Spain?

An American citizen can freely move to any state in the United States. A citizen of European countries may or may not be able to freely move to other European countries without citizenship related changes, visas or other sponsorship.

Yep, that’s why I said “the EU”, not Europe, where freedom of movement is a fundamental right.

Anyway, for immigration that’s a bit moot as there is a universal policy for EU member states. Which was a contentious issue during Brexit.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

youcantthrow wrote: post #49
fxtentacle wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd wager that as soon as the first homeless* person puts their tent in your garden, you'll find walls, borders and land ownership a lot more attractive. *= made homeless due to the unequal distribution of wealth in so-called free markets But that, sadly, is what the difference between a desire to migrate and actual migration boils down to. Most people in Sub-Saharan Africa wouldn't be able to buy or rent a house in…

>I'd wager that as soon as the first homeless* person puts their tent in your garden, you'll find walls, borders and land ownership a lot more attractive. you'd lose that wager. i've lived in the third world (africa) and my relationship to space and community is probably much different from yours.

In which case you're likely an extreme outlier and not a good model for generalization given the history of humanity

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Post by duxup »

mtts wrote: post #83
duxup wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is full of folks complaining about migrations / stranges and states / groups taking action to prevent / persiculte newcomers, and travel was not easy. I feel like your comment makes it seem a lot more fluid than it was for a group to simply migrate and enjoy their new country.

No, he’s right. It was very much in the interest of rulers to rule over as large a population as possible as that meant more tax income. Think of all the slaves that were brought into the Roman Empire for an example. Or the laws binding serfs to the land in the Middle Ages. Or of the early modern kingdoms of South East Asia, which were essentially slave states, raiding their neighbors for their population so they cou…

The scale and range of history DNA analysis usually covers is usually massive. Nations would rise and fall within those time frames...

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Post by vinniejames »

president wrote: post #71
fxtentacle wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because other people that seemed to be like you based on easily measurable characteristics tried to stay after all. That said, apart from the US, I wouldn't know any country where a rich German citizen couldn't get a long-term business or investment visa.

> Because other people that seemed to be like you based on easily measurable characteristics tried to stay after all. Exactly. Like all things, a few bad actors spoil it for the rest of us.

Seems to be the exception to the rule, it's not a few bad apples. The vast majority looking to move are not looking for an extended vacation

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Post by chrismeller »

fxtentacle wrote: post #65
jermaustin1 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof of self sufficiency.

I'm pretty sure they offer that, but it might cost you lots of money. For example, Singapore requires you to have SG$ 2.5 Mio in assets if you want an unlimited visa.

Many countries do. Yeah, it usually requires a TON of liquid cash or assets, though there are even a couple of EU countries that are hard up for investment money and provide easy investment visas for very little. Some (like Estonia) require that you get your business plan validated by a committee or board, but others (like Spain and Portugal and Hungary) really don’t seem to care as long as you claim you can make money and/or employ people (or buy or rent a property for a certain amount and spend 180+ days a year there).

There are VERY few people in the world who can take two years off and not worry about needing any income, so it’s incredibly understandable that that’s not a common visa scenario. Americans also forget that the rest of the world doesn’t have to pay income tax on earnings no matter where they live, so the visa ties into tax residency as well.

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Post by fehyjn »

tridentlead wrote: post #14
fehyjn wrote: post #5

Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?

While no criminal records is definitely a plus, and a degree is also a good thing, neither of those are what bind a nation together.

Isn’t cities and places are to connect different people? I will embrace the culture of a nation, if I move. That’s just the fact that you need to adopt. But I don’t see a reason for it being a hinder to choosing where people want to live.

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Post by fxtentacle »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #79
fxtentacle wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because other people that seemed to be like you based on easily measurable characteristics tried to stay after all. That said, apart from the US, I wouldn't know any country where a rich German citizen couldn't get a long-term business or investment visa.

I know the UK just got rid of their "pay-to-stay" visas (Tier 1 - Entrepreneur (£200k) and Tier 1 - Startup (£50k + endorsement), and now have endorsement-based visas (Innovator and Startup). So I guess it is still pay-to-stay, but instead of paying the government, you are paying one of a few dozen private companies that the government chose based on some random criteria, and apparently there were many endorsing orga…

$1 Mio to buy Malta citizenship, then you can get a 120 months UK business visa.

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Post by baybal2 »

dhruvkar wrote: post #39
haunter wrote: post #33

And they will. I think the current migration crisis in Europe is nothing compared to when the Sahel will be finally total uninhabitable all those people will move to Europe. And with the current speed of the global warming I don't think it's that far away.

TIL. Sahel = Northern Africa

Sahel = Below Northern Africa

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Post by fxtentacle »

nostromo wrote: post #90
jermaustin1 wrote: post #43

First World Problem, I know, but: I don't understand why I should not be allowed to take a 2 year vacation in another country without having to leave every 6 months and pray the border agent doesn't find it suspicious that I keep coming back. I don't want to take someone's job, or milk the welfare system, and I would be a net positive to anywhere I decided to vacation (sales tax/VAT, property tax, hotel tax, income t…

Because not every country wants to be overflowing with expat techbros. I've seen some of this resentment in SE Asia. Foreigners work remotely from paradise, which is great for us -- but the locals see you filling up the nice restaurants and renting the best apartments and driving up the cost of living for locals who, unlike us, don't have many options about where they live.

Plus most of the tech bros I met in Asia were socially awkward and super horny which doesn't exactly fit nicely with conservative cultures that highly value marriage and family.
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