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More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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post #5

Still don’t understand why I can’t just move to another country... I have a degree, no criminal records. But I need visas, permits, etc. Why all this difficulties?

Because different groups of people have their own interests, shared culture, etc. Just because you don't mind a homogeneous global culture doesn't meant that others do or should.

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post #26

I'd add some background to what fehyjn says below. The entire world was relatively borderess prior to 20th century, and it was completely outside of humanly possible for the state anywhere to keep tap on every individual. If you talk about the period from medieval, to early renaissance. It was very natural for every polity to want to get more subjects. Feudal lords couldn't have been more happy to see more people mig…

Wasn't travel across great distances commensurately difficult, making such restrictions unnecessary even if they weren't desired?

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i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…

I'd wager that as soon as the first homeless* person puts their tent in your garden, you'll find walls, borders and land ownership a lot more attractive.

*= made homeless due to the unequal distribution of wealth in so-called free markets

But that, sadly, is what the difference between a desire to migrate and actual migration boils down to. Most people in Sub-Saharan Africa wouldn't be able to buy or rent a house in the US or Europe due to their financial situation, which again is mostly caused by the unfair distribution in so-called free markets.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

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i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…

While global wage equilibrium would be great, how do you deal with the challenges that large, diverse societies already have in governing effectively? It’s tricky to build a “good feeling” cultural/legal/political landscape for 300MM people of diverse languages, religions, education levels, etc. I think we can eventually get there (we are getting there... via globalization), but it must be gradual.

Thoughts on this problem?

(Sidenote that wage equilibrium != outright wage equality)

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#36
post #3

Good. World cultures need more diversity and exposure to each other. I am Russian who lived in Switzerland, Spain, Denmark, US and Italy. I’ve got tons of experience and emotions from each of these countries, and I am thankful that they welcomed me.

You might be the exception here because you can read, write, communicate in English, and handle computers. A farmer from rural Malawi who cannot write and doesn't speak English would not be able to integrate into a European countries' economy and, accordingly, would be a lot less welcome.

People act in their own selfish interest.

This farmer from rural Malawi who can't communicate in English may not want to move to Europe, because he would have a bad time there.

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post #15

i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…

Very few people believe in a true free market. We have plenty of legit regulations around it and probably could use a few more to level things out.

The irony is that the people who tend to believe in freer markets are generally not the people who believe in freer immigration and the people who want increased regulation in one seldom want increased regulation in the other.

Re: More Than 750M Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could

#38

i don't believe in borders and if you believe in the free market then you shouldn't either. of course this is heretical and people will immediately jump down your throat about culture and patriotism and etc as a diversion from the material fact that it's only about profits. right now globalization is very profitable for the west because manufacturers can arbitrage the differences in cost of living. it's not technical…

I think companies like Apple who outsource manufacturing to poor countries would, on the contrary, support increased immigration.

There's more pressure against immigration from Americans who are effectively collecting rent on their citizenship by keeping job competition outside of the US.

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#39
post #33

And they will. I think the current migration crisis in Europe is nothing compared to when the Sahel will be finally total uninhabitable all those people will move to Europe. And with the current speed of the global warming I don't think it's that far away.

TIL. Sahel = Northern Africa

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post #13

Looking at those numbers, isn’t the EU the most desired place to migrate to? Feels odd to not split the USA into its member states while splitting Europe up. How many of those potential migrants want to move to Texas vs Spain?

An American citizen can freely move to any state in the United States. A citizen of European countries may or may not be able to freely move to other European countries without citizenship related changes, visas or other sponsorship.
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