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Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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I was thinking about this the other day. I was wondering how people that were born deaf think, because I think in my own voice... This is pretty interesting.

When I’m not reading or writing though I think very spatially. Usually no words are in my head and I can kind of place thought in my visual space. Let’s say I need to remember to do something when I’m done working at my computer. I can look at say the door or a chair and “place” the thing I need to remember there.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Absolutely shocked about this, that some people don't have one. Re-read the article a couple times. Went down a wikipedia rabbit hole and found this[0]. Makes me wonder if there are leftover developments in consciousness that are sticking around.

My inner monologue is basically a consciousness I'm trying to control. It's not a split personality, per se. It's "me", but an OS running my random thoughts all the time. When I dream I sometimes dream in a different language that I (mostly) don't speak (Spanish, or German ... sometimes Japanese which must mostly be from memories there because I haven't studied it). The dreams make me think there's a latent function that keeps popping up for a reset.

I genuinely don't understand how someone could function without being able to "talk to yourself" and essentially narrate your life.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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Depth first search. Basically he's saying you're playing out each conversation to the end, then backing up to the last branch point and chasing it to the end, repeat until you've exhausted every possibility you can think of

Oh. That almost never works IME, though.

In my experience it typically doesn't work, but sometimes it can work and is good to keep your mind busy IF you have some free time. It's just rehearsing, essentially what dreams are, but in daytime and more controlled.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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This topic (comments here, the OP, and comments in threads elsewhere) exposes some conflicting definitions of what an "internal monologue" is or means. - Some people describe hearing their internal monologue, which I take to mean something like: they have an internal monologue, and it manifests as a voice that only they hear. These people are analogous to those who see things they picture in their mind's eye . - Some…

This is why I'm sceptical if the whole thing. It's just way too subjective. I don't doubt that people experience the universe in different ways. But I highly doubt it's as simple as having an internal monologue or not.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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I would say I don't have an internal monologue. But that doesn't mean my mind isn't wandering all over the place. I don't talk to myself, I don't play out conversations in my head. Instead it's more like a collection of "thoughts", or "images", or visualizing myself "doing". I can get extremely caught up in this. There's also an awful lot of contemplating objects, observing features, visualizing how they interact. Ve…

Like you can actually see things in your head? Visually? With color and all?

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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What Do You Care What Other People Think? , a book of Richard Feynman stories, has a chapter that ties into this. You can read the chapter here: http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/607/2/Feynman.pdf He discovers that he can read while counting in his head at a steady rate, but he cannot talk while counting. When he tells his friends, one of them claims to be the opposite, and indeed proves that he can count while ta…

What do people do without a monolog when they are asked to count something silently? Isn’t keeping track of the current number a form of monolog?

It is, but it helps. A nice way I found to detach myself from racing thoughts is through these steps:

- count

- count some physiological process within you (breathing or heartbeat)

- recognize that you can count it without thinking numbers

- recognize that same “emptiness” can continue for a while even after you stop following the physiological process

- rinse and repeat until you can drop into that “emptiness” and stay there at will

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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post #646

I would say I don't have an internal monologue. But that doesn't mean my mind isn't wandering all over the place. I don't talk to myself, I don't play out conversations in my head. Instead it's more like a collection of "thoughts", or "images", or visualizing myself "doing". I can get extremely caught up in this. There's also an awful lot of contemplating objects, observing features, visualizing how they interact. Ve…

The reading comprehension point is interesting. I'd like to see some studies looking into testing differences between those with a verbal monologue and those without. It'd be interesting to see the different areas where each type of thinking shines, if there even is a statistical difference in any area.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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When you think less you may be open to more possibilities, be more spontaneous and even have some childlike fun. However, others can be taken aback and even suspect ulterior motives, until you harmonize better with others.

Thinking less can be advantageous for situations that welcome spontaneity, thinking more is very useful for all the others.

Spontaneity is also thinking. There are two distinct modes of thought. Verbal/abstract and real-time/intuition. These have neurological foundations in the two hemispheres. The right is more highly connected. The left has more to do with speech and rumination.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

#710

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Sometimes I have a "how awful would it be to do XY" moments. Usually something brutal. But it always makes me pay even more attention to not doing that very thing even accidentally because I definitely do not want to break stuff or hurt someone. Yet it makes me a bit nervous. What if I actually decided to do that? Fortunately it never happens when I'm under influence. Do I need help?

As others have said, these sound like typical intrusive thoughts. The most common intrusive thoughts are, I believe, the "call of the void" ones (also known as "high place phenomenon"). You might be driving down the freeway and think "What if I drove into oncoming traffic?" or standing on a cliff at the end of a hike and think "What if I just walked off the ledge?" There's also some common less-morbid ones, like "Wha…

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