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Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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I'm not sure what point you're making, but it sounds like this is less about how you define the self and more about how you define involuntary. The heartbeat is an involuntary action and is simultaneously part of yourself. That's all I mean.

I agree that a heartbeat is an involuntary reflex but I don't see how you can compare that to the mind chatter which is AFAIK related to cognition much like the rest of your thoughts and mental processes. Not only that, your inner monologue is completely unique to you. Probably from a part that you do not identify with which is why I was asking.

Ah, okay I see what you're saying!

If you consider a young, attractive person who identifies with their beauty, eventually when they age and likely lose that beauty they once perceived, they end up feeling like they have lost themselves--or at least some huge aspect of themselves--and suffer greatly because of it.

Alternatively, if they recognize their looks are just a transient thing that is not their identity, then losing that perceived beauty is much more benign and life is more peaceful. It's because there was always much more to them than their perceived beauty.

It's the same thing with emotions and cognition. Identifying with mind chatter--or thoughts in general, in their supremely transient nature--is to impose a limitation on ourselves and invite suffering.

Not to pretend that I'm this untouchable entity that is above all of this, but I've found this to be a very healthy practice that makes space for a peaceful, harmonious way of living.

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I dream up movies and songs and all sorts of rich fantasies in my head, and I do this constantly. As a consequence of this, I never get bored as I've got an incredible imagination to lean on. I think about movies I want to make, startups I want to create, the change I want to put into the world. New songs on my commute, goals I want to accomplish, what I could do with time travel. I'm always working on the structures…

I also do this quite a bit and recently I noticed it's been getting more intense. When this happens it's usually because someone's been talking to me for 10+ minutes straight without me saying a single word, and I get this physical feeling like they're getting further away or their head is getting smaller. Does anyone else experience this?

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I used to be like that, and it was helpful in many ways as I seemed to always be ready for wherever a conversation might go. But I wasn't living in the moment. Now I actively stop myself from simulating the various branches of potential conversations. It feels good to live in the moment (shaking my head a little when I feel it starting helps). The downside is that I don't have as many prepared responses and am more e…

That sounds like hell to me. I don't have an internal monolog. I think in visuals. I am a quiet person. I am a better programmer for it I think. I visualize the structure of a program I am writing and pair programming would also be hell for me.

Agreed. As I've grown older, I spend less time running tight verbal loops in my mind, and more time examining things visually. It seems more externally-oriented, and allows for better sleep.

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I wonder if there are any notable differences between the two demographics.

For example, I take a while to fall asleep because I can't not have a conversation with myself. Do people without an internal dialog tend to fall asleep faster?

Does the monolog make you more extroverted because you tend to recite statements in your head and therefor have more confidence? Or does it make you more introverted because you tend to question yourself more before speaking?

Does the monolog impact the kinds of jobs or interests you're more likely to persue? Are some subjects easier to understand with or without it? Just how much are personalities impacted by it?

Great, now I'll be up all night thinking about this.

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For me personally it seems to make it impossible to get to sleep. Which makes me tired, and less resistant to rambling trains of thought. Repeat ad infinitum.

Try to get on a low dosage of Clonidine it is very cheap and it puts me out to sleep right away and it has been around for awhile, very safe.

Some people find 1 or 2 drops of lavendar oil on a hanky by their pillow relaxing.

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For those with an internal monologue, what person do you hear it in? For example, I always think in 2nd person, as in "we should eat eggs for breakfast", but almost no one else I've asked about this has had that. I'm curious if thinking as "I should do X" vs "You should do X" correlates with other personality traits.

I think in second person too! I also coach myself and reassure myself pretty often, e.g "it's not a big deal", "you'll get over it" and so on.

I think the idea that there's such variation between individuals inner monologues is really fascinating. Particularly because I'm certain I can't point to a reason why I talk to myself the way I do.

Re: Not everyone has an internal monologue

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For those with an internal monologue, what person do you hear it in? For example, I always think in 2nd person, as in "we should eat eggs for breakfast", but almost no one else I've asked about this has had that. I'm curious if thinking as "I should do X" vs "You should do X" correlates with other personality traits.

First person for me. I had never even considered a different perspective. Trying to make myself think in the second person just feels alien, but I have no idea if I'm the abnormal one.

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Unfathomable to me. My mind is constantly racing, playing out different conversations, interviewing myself in a variety of roles to navigate my thoughts on things (one day I'm the president of the US talking about foreign policy, another day I'm a big tech CEO navigating the diversity questions). I constantly have something in my ears to tune myself out, podcasts or music. After being diagnosed w/ ADHD I realize I'm…

Interesting, that's what I'd typically think of as daydreaming, but it definitely doesn't feel like an always-on thing, as I definitely don't verbalize a lot of things internally. Which does pose the occasional problem when I'm asked to explain something :)

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What's DFS? When I look closely at those sorts of imagined conversations, I almost always conclude that my attention has been misdirected by delusional egotism. I also find that letting them run tends to entrench the delusions, which I am better off without.

Depth first search. Basically he's saying you're playing out each conversation to the end, then backing up to the last branch point and chasing it to the end, repeat until you've exhausted every possibility you can think of

Oh. That almost never works IME, though.
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