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Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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Stupid question: is it possible that hygiene practices contribute to outbreaks like this? I remember reading or hearing that one input to recent wildfires was the fact that decades of controlled burns to limit the spread of wildfires left a lot of available fuel that otherwise would have burned naturally. So in that vein, do we have humans with compromised immunity thriving but susceptible to inter-species mutations…

Hygiene practices can prevent the spread of diseases like this. Wash your hands, don't touch your face, etc. Wear a surgical mask and limit interactions with others if you're sick. But this virus spreads via droplet transmission, so just being within 6 feet of someone who's infected (and coughs/sneezes) is enough to spread it. If you're referring to the overuse of hand sanitizer and other disinfectant agents, it migh…

"But this virus spreads via droplet transmission, so just being within 6 feet of someone who's infected (and coughs/sneezes) is enough to spread it."

On the other hand, people don't seem to be symptomatic for 2 weeks, so they won't be coughing or sneezing during that time, so ordinary hygiene should be enough to prevent most infections during the incubation period.

After people do become symptomatic, the widespread media attention and fear among the general public will likely cause them to go to the hospital or isolate themselves from each other, which should further reduce infections.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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More importantly, the flu has a vaccine. New versions of it are released each year according to what health organizations think will be the dominant variants. The new virus has no vaccine.

I think you mean 1 strand of the flu has a vaccine that only a small percentage of the public administer.

Usually it's a 4-strain vaccine but your point stands.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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Also good real-time chart: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h... tracks confirmed cases and recoveries too.

>Last Update: Jan 30, 2020 11 am EST. It is not a real-time map, I find it bizarre that people believe that we can track the population's wellbeing in real-time. Are you ready to be hooked up to such a system?

This comment and the replies to it really give a glimpse into the psyche of the more pedantry-prone members of HN.

For me, if someone says X, and a literal interpretation of X would be impossible/ridiculous, I naturally assume the more generous interpretation Y. I would find it bizarre to believe that X was intended.

Some people however cannot escape the interpretation X, and find the statement bizarre fullstop.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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« All the data is not valid » That's a non-answer. My data is valid. I challenge you to point out specific errors. My data comes from two sources: 1) Initially I replicated the chart by Dr. Melvin Sanicas, a vaccinologist and public health physician, that he posted on twitter (here: https://twitter.com/Vaccinologist/status/1220469109378502658 ). He had no citations for his numbers. So I performed light fact-checking…

Okay here's an answer: the whole thing is misinformation. Mashing together incomplete data sets to make a point is… nothing. That's not a thing. That's not science or data. That's garbage. If you're not a troll you should take a step back and actually THINK about what you are doing. You are creating misinformation, posting it, then reposting it elsewhere and citing yourself. Stop it. Stop being a garbage human trying…

«the whole thing is misinformation»

Another non-answer. It is perfectly valid to compare various epidemiological characteristics like I did, and like Dr. Melvin Sanicas did (are you going to criticize him too?) A lot of us on HN are sufficiently educated to have decent discussions about topics we are not experts in. If you have constructive criticism, give it to me instead of your non-answers.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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Yes, coronavirus is a broad class of flus. SARS and MERS are both coronaviruses and there seems to be a lot of genetic similarity to SARS.

The flu is the influenza virus, period. The common cold is typically caused by a rhinovirus, but coronaviruses, adenoviruses, and influenza viruses can cause colds too.

But note that “the influenza virus” is a term that includes many genetically distinct mutations.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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It's about time... All early characteristics of the novel coronavirus indicate it's far more dangerous than SARS/MERS/seasonal flu (which kills 30-60k/year in the US) so, unless a cure is found soon, we should expect it to kill more people than these other diseases combined : https://mobile.twitter.com/zorinaq/status/122263149332482867...

I think it would be more helpful to cite actual epidemiology research and public health professionals rather than people who seem to use people's fears to garner attention. Edit: In order to make this a little less dismissive, the actual argument in that Twitter post is that due to lag between first symptoms appearing and death, you can't divide fatalities by total cases to get the mortality rate, and should instead…

>Cases that get reported are biased towards people who get more sick

True, however I fail to see how this point is relevant when comparing statistics with past diseases - as the same could be said of our historical data we have for SARS or anything else. In any case, we only have reported confirmed cases. Doesn't seem to make sense to me to factor in a unknowable variable here but not in other cases...

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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Indeed. China’s medical system is primitive by comparison. They have shiny highways and trains, but hospitals are overcrowded and underfunded.

...because they are not for profit so people can actually afford to get help even if they are poor

yes, but still they are not as developed in human indices

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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The official figures in China are 8,163 cases 171 deaths which is 2% right now, but take these with a big grain of salt. They could go up (some of those confirmed cases will be very recent and may get worse) or down (more cases might have happened but be unreported). Its really hard to tell what it will look like in a month or two.

I recommend everyone to watch this on-site commentary from the chinese human rights lawyer Chen Qiushi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AI3R41dGnU Any numbers we've seen so far seem very tame to me, compared to the pictures out of Wuhan.

Totally off topic but... Chinese seems like a very efficient language. The guy doesn't seem to be speaking so fast but the subtitles are conveying a lot of information really fast.

Re: WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

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The flu is the influenza virus, period. The common cold is typically caused by a rhinovirus, but coronaviruses, adenoviruses, and influenza viruses can cause colds too.

But note that “the influenza virus” is a term that includes many genetically distinct mutations.

Sure, and there are around 160 known types of rhinovirus, 50 adenovirus types, and now 7 known forms of human corona viruses. Flu refers to a specific family of RNA viruses, common cold is a much more broad term.
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