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Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by riversflow »

robin_reala wrote: post #147
ASalazarMX wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about we bake in competitive openness regadless of company size? Why is it right to build corrals as long as yours is not the biggest?

Because the user has an easy choice. Monopolies are not a problem in themselves, it’s when that monopoly is leveraged to crush competitors out of the overall market.

I seriously don’t understand why this sentiment(not yours) is so prevalent on HN. If we want competition in the tech sector, it seems to me that government enforcement of modulization would only hinder such competition. Why should a large corp’s web dev team care about mobile safari if they can just write on their page, “it seems you are using safari on mobile, we recommend downloading mobile chrome(AppStore hyperlink) and setting it to default, as of $PREVIOUSYEAR we will no longer support it.”? To me as things currently stand(that is Apple is not a monopoly), Apple’s walled garden approach absolutely embodies the spirit of a free market. Consumers have the choice of products and the defaultness of iPhones is fairly widely understood at the market level, best I can tell. Anecdotally of course, but almost all the l people I’ve talked to who buy an iPhone state that they buy it because they “don’t want to think about their phone” that seems fair to me.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by aendruk »

protomyth wrote: post #117
lucb1e wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many issues like this. People complain about TomTom maps never being updated in navigation systems because it's licensed, Apple Maps being crappy (or in this case, wrong), even Google Maps is often slow in updating (e.g. the tunnel in Maastricht took some time after it opened, which was known and announced years ahead) and very incomplete in terms of footpaths and trails. The USA is probably the worst ex…

Wow, OpenStreetMaps is worse which makes a bit of sense. Is there a good (step-by-step) tutorial on submitting data to OSM. I get the feeling if I can get the land grants people to submit their data it might make things a bit better.

For a well-defined project like this, I recommend getting in touch with people in the OSM US Slack workspace [0] for advice on possible data sources, mapping techniques, prior/duplicate efforts, etc.

[0]: https://osmus-slack.herokuapp.com/

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by rmc »

mistrial9 wrote: post #90

it seems that OSM is a data pivot point -- Apple and Google are directly competing with OSM (super-walled-garden-data) while Facebook, Microsoft and who-knows-who-defense are augmenting OSM as fast as possible

> Apple and Google are directly competing with OSM

Apple Maps _is_ OpenStreetMap in many countries. In Denmark it's used for turn-by-turn navigation even.

(Source: Talk by Apple employee at the OSM'a 'State of the Map' conference 2018 https://2018.stateofthemap.org/2018/T081-Working_with_the_Co... )

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by city41 »

I really hope this new Maps updates with new addresses better. The place I am living in now is about 18 months old. Google added the address in about 8 months ago, Apple still has not. People who use Apple maps and put in my address end up with an address clear on the other side of town. Pretty much everyone just trusts map apps, so this has been pretty annoying. I now have to give out my address and warn people to not use Apple Maps. Many still do despite my warning :-/

I submitted a correction inside the app a couple times over the course of several months to no avail. So I tweeted at AppleSupport. They assigned a support representative to my case and he's been calling me about once a week for weeks now. It's almost comical at this point.

So here's hoping this new map app avoids this kind of headache.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by oflannabhra »

pauljonas wrote: post #196

I'd been using Waze for a couple of years, and initially it was far superior to Apple Maps. But a few months back, I got really frustrated with it because it led me down some closed roads & ended up doubling my commute time home from work that day. I'd also been noting how off it was on its estimates on when I'd get to my destination. And I was also perturbed by it not knowing the back street entrance to my work site…

I seem to remember someone posting their results of testing Google Maps, Apple Maps, and Waze for ETA accuracy, and what you describe was also what they found: Apple Maps was the most accurate, Google Maps was optimistic, but accurate, Waze basically reported the best case scenario. Edit: found the original [0]

I've long thought that Waze creates the illusion of saving massive amounts of time, when its benefits are marginal (although real). I know I personally prefer an active commute to one waiting in traffic, even if travel times are identical. Waze seems to maximize for the latter.

[0] - https://arturgrabow.ski/2018/02/19/navigation-apps/amp/

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by [deleted] »

protomyth wrote: post #117
lucb1e wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many issues like this. People complain about TomTom maps never being updated in navigation systems because it's licensed, Apple Maps being crappy (or in this case, wrong), even Google Maps is often slow in updating (e.g. the tunnel in Maastricht took some time after it opened, which was known and announced years ahead) and very incomplete in terms of footpaths and trails. The USA is probably the worst ex…

Wow, OpenStreetMaps is worse which makes a bit of sense. Is there a good (step-by-step) tutorial on submitting data to OSM. I get the feeling if I can get the land grants people to submit their data it might make things a bit better.

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Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by vucetica »

pkaye wrote: post #23

Is there an Apple Maps for the web browser?

You can use them from browser if you use duckduckgo as your search engine. There is still not an option to navigate there (if you are, for example, planning your trips in advance). Very basic, unfortunately.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by tssva »

skrause wrote: post #37

What I hate most about Apple Maps is that reports about incorrect data never seem to go anywhere. Apple Maps thinks that the road that leads to my house is a one-way street. It's not. But because of this error Apple Maps always wants to send me on a 5 minutes detour if I try to use it to navigate home. I've reported the problem twice but never got an answer or a correction. In fact all problems I've ever reported in…

About a year ago I noticed that for some reason Google Maps occasionally reported my house being 3 blocks from where it is. None of the other houses on my street had this issue. I filed a correction with Google expecting a long delay for it to be resolved. I received notification in 45 minutes to an hour that the issue had been resolved.

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by zepto »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #143
criddell wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that Microsoft dominated the market. Apple has a relatively small slice of the smartphone pie. If Google restricted the user in the same way, that would arguably be closer to the Microsoft situation because their marketshare is 2x Apple's.

How about we bake in competitive openness regadless of company size? Why is it right to build corrals as long as yours is not the biggest?

I think this is fine, but only if we also bake in all of the things that Apple has achieved using their dominance.

- Strong encryption - Privacy Protections - Not using user data

Re: Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for users in the United States

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Post by kube-system »

odysseus wrote: post #188

Were stoplights and stop signs at intersections supposed to be part of the redesign? I still don’t see those except in certain areas of the country (some parts of NYC/NJ, for example)

I see them while navigating. I tried navigating to some rural US locations and I see them all the way through the route.
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