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U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by catalogia »

caconym_ wrote: post #43
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, and its also not a reasonable thing to say "If you go outside you accept total surveillance." Since going outside is a requirement for life. I find it acceptable that if I go outside I might get caught on some store security camera and that video sits on a hard drive for a week and then gets written over but I do not find it acceptable that the store camera recognizes my face and stores my presence in an easily…

Yeah, "find it acceptable" is good verbiage. There seems to be a lot of conflation on this subject between "expectation of privacy" in the practical sense and "expectation of privacy" in the legal sense. Like, you'd better fuckin believe I expect not to be followed by cops or secret agents everywhere I go. I expect it on the persistence forecast basis and because I understand that it's practically impossible to alloc…

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/expect#Verb

> Expect: 1. To look for (mentally); to look forward to, as to something that is believed to be about to happen or come; to have a previous apprehension of, whether of good or evil; to look for with some confidence; to anticipate; -- often followed by an infinitive, sometimes by a clause (with, or without, that).

I expect the government to erode my rights.

> Expect: 2. To consider obligatory or required.

I expect the government to respect my rights.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by tluyben2 »

stevehawk wrote: post #11
tictok4 wrote: post #2

Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

Here in Spain for instance; https://www.mofo.com/resources/insights/spains-strict-new-li...

(basically; you cannot film/photograph anyone without their consent, including in public)

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Post by mtgx »

stevehawk wrote: post #11
tictok4 wrote: post #2

Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

Quite a lot actually.

I don't expect having someone or something register everywhere I move within a city or country.

I don't expect the government identifying each protest I go to.

It seems most people forget that in a supposed democracy, the people can decide how to leave pretty much however they want (caveat: if they can convince their lawmakers of that, at least).

You can decide whether there is a death penalty or not. You can decide whether gay people can marry and live together or not. You can decide if the police has the "right" to monitor your movement and have access to all of your digital communications in real-time or otherwise, or not.

Isn't that the purpose of a democracy? If the rulers decide everything, then it's no longer a democratic country (and sadly, yes, I don't think the US is currently a democratic country in any way, sadly - at best it's a plutocracy).

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by dTal »

TylerE wrote: post #18
mehrdadn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd expect the same privacy we were getting before such technology came along.

Which is none? Anyone can walk up to you on the street and take your picture.

There's a huge quantitative and qualitative difference between the possibility of something happening once, and it actually happening 24/7.

It's like the difference between listening to Coltrane in the afternoon, vs operating a 24h trumpet school out of your living room.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by OrgNet »

throwaway743 wrote: post #4

Does this pertain specifically to facial recognition or does this also include other biometric markers? If solely facial recognition, then this means jack shit, as people will be identified with other measurements.

It doesn't mean jack shit... it's a start that can be improved upon.

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Post by OrgNet »

tictok4 wrote: post #8
throwaway743 wrote: post #4

Does this pertain specifically to facial recognition or does this also include other biometric markers? If solely facial recognition, then this means jack shit, as people will be identified with other measurements.

How about just stop tracking people! We aren't prisoners don't treat us as such.

We need to start tracking government officials... then maybe things will change.

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Post by raxxorrax »

TylerE wrote: post #14
tjpnz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when has a for profit corporation been completely honest with the public, especially when it comes to something as controversial as this.

Well, if it's BANNED we KNOW they'll lie about it.

Maybe, but I would take the legal handle in this case. They wouldn't have anything to hide. In case of companies that definitely makes sense.

Biometrics is only happening if you let it by legislation.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by raxxorrax »

OrgNet wrote: post #76
tictok4 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about just stop tracking people! We aren't prisoners don't treat us as such.

We need to start tracking government officials... then maybe things will change.

Indeed, since public officials are actually accountable for the things they do, not the other way around. I would be cautious though, because many people just wouldn't want to become public servants anymore.

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Post by t223 »

tictok4 wrote: post #2

Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

Unfortunately ANPR is becoming ubiquitous - especially around A1A. I’d support banning this as well.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by mattmanser »

TylerE wrote: post #31
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you purposely ignore the power of new tech. Might as well say nothing changed with the invention of earth moving machinery because you could have done the same thing with a shovel.

Way to miss the point. The invention of the bulldozer didn't change property rights.

We actually had anonymity of the crowds back then, which facial recog tech circumvents.

The problem is also that there are a LOT of laws, and it's very easy to manufacture a crime.

I would also suggest reading about people who have been subject to unwarranted surveillance just because of their views, and the damage it does them. A good example is the environmental groups in the 90s in the UK.

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