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U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by caconym_ »

ta999999171 wrote: post #58
caconym_ wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, "find it acceptable" is good verbiage. There seems to be a lot of conflation on this subject between "expectation of privacy" in the practical sense and "expectation of privacy" in the legal sense. Like, you'd better fuckin believe I expect not to be followed by cops or secret agents everywhere I go. I expect it on the persistence forecast basis and because I understand that it's practically impossible to alloc…

With aerial planes, and facial recognition everywhere, they won't have to. They can sit at home, and watch you, and you yesterday, and if they're really intrigued, you ten years ago!

Yeah, that's the point. In justifying this sort of ubiquitous surveillance, the phrase "expectation of privacy" (and related verbiage) is being grossly abused.

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Post by anonsivalley652 »

stevehawk wrote: post #11
tictok4 wrote: post #2

Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

"Nothing to hide" is indicative of condoning inverted/actual totalitarianism, until the Chinese-inspired tracking system follows you around every moment of your life and gives you a social credit score that tells you that you can't fly on a plane or take a train. Or looks extra hard for any technicality felonies you commit unwittingly in your professional career as reprisal if you speak out against their abuses. So maybe you might want some privacy now?

Also, I guess you won't mind publishing all of your passwords, physical location at all times, never wearing clothes, living in a transparent house and being video and audio recorded 24x7 either. (Yes, it's unreasonably absurd ad infinitum.) Still not wanting any privacy? How about other people can have as much privacy as they want, and stay the heck off my lawn? ;-P

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Post by unhashable »

anonsivalley652 wrote: post #62
stevehawk wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

"Nothing to hide" is indicative of condoning inverted/actual totalitarianism, until the Chinese-inspired tracking system follows you around every moment of your life and gives you a social credit score that tells you that you can't fly on a plane or take a train. Or looks extra hard for any technicality felonies you commit unwittingly in your professional career as reprisal if you speak out against their abuses. So m…

Boom.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by hanniabu »

trhway wrote: post #36
vuln wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re 100% correct banning facial recognition means jack shit. I guess it’s a start though. Chinese ‘gait recognition’ tech IDs people by how they walk https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a

so, one has to be on a scooter and inside a half transparent balloon. Almost like haut-women of Cetaganda. Naturally it was allowed only for that higher caste.

Just wait for the scooter recognition technology...

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Post by sb057 »

stevehawk wrote: post #11
tictok4 wrote: post #2

Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

It's less a matter of privacy at any given moment and more of having every given moment and location you're in public logged.

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Post by mirimir »

nitrogen wrote: post #47
mehrdadn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'd be fine with that whenever that would happen by a person organically making the decision to do so.

Next gig economy job/alternate reality game: public surveillance

Yeah, like Followr in Gibson's Agency.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by flattone »

stevehawk wrote: post #11
tictok4 wrote: post #2

Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

Publix’s privacy expectations aside ... Facial recognition is more like being owned as a result of existing

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by jeroenhd »

umvi wrote: post #30

Facial recognition tech could save so much time and money though. Imagine how many man hours would be saved if teachers no longer had to take attendance? Shoplifting would hit all time lows since you wouldn't be able to get away with it short of wearing a mask into the store.

Why waste all that money on cameras when you can just have a mandatory, government-issued ankle bracelet with GPS gear? Way cheaper to mass produce and businesses don't need to invest in their own hardware.

Systems like this could be very nice and useful but as long as companies make shady data deals and can't do basic data protection, implementing such a system is just a plain bad idea.

Tracking students should be opt-in anyway ("go study some place else if you don't like our tracking system" isn't opt-in) and I doubt you're going to get much support for tracking someone's exact movements every minute of the school day as long as the equifaxes of the world prove that data protection is none of their concern.

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Post by stubish »

TylerE wrote: post #18
mehrdadn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd expect the same privacy we were getting before such technology came along.

Which is none? Anyone can walk up to you on the street and take your picture.

The camera was invented and this became a problem for public figures. It became more of a problem with digital photography. Much more of a problem with camera phones. And became the privacy nightmare we are now dealing with around the rise of Twitter and Instagram.
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