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U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Facial recognition tech could save so much time and money though. Imagine how many man hours would be saved if teachers no longer had to take attendance? Shoplifting would hit all time lows since you wouldn't be able to get away with it short of wearing a mask into the store.

Don't forget toll booths! Each car could go through the booth seconds faster if each had Apple FaceID, and you could pay that way!

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Facial recognition tech could save so much time and money though. Imagine how many man hours would be saved if teachers no longer had to take attendance? Shoplifting would hit all time lows since you wouldn't be able to get away with it short of wearing a mask into the store.

Students ? You're proposing we track students ? It says something that the first example that's used (not just you, I've seen it many times elsewhere, too) is that we track the only group of people who by-and-large cannot consent, and not only that, but in a way that has permanent implications for their right to privacy. Further, the idea of facial recognition being used in every store is atrocious. Not only can they…

I'm pretty sure that umvi was sarcastic. Think about his last sentence.

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Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

Every thread with privacy debates make me more and more curious about what kind of things HN users want/need to hide so bad from the public ;) Maybe they own goog stocks in secret. Edit: this isn't serious.

Snowden has a great quote that points out how ridiculous that line of thinking is:

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

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Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

Would you agree with having a police officer following and watching you everytime you leave your house?

You'd expect someone on probation to have that kind of situation.

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#55
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If you purposely ignore the power of new tech. Might as well say nothing changed with the invention of earth moving machinery because you could have done the same thing with a shovel.

Way to miss the point. The invention of the bulldozer didn't change property rights.

Saying technological changes don't subvert the underlying structure of a concept is like saying war didn't change after the introduction of gunpowder or flight.

These technological changes add additional dimensions, they may not radically change the initial structure but they lead to radically different outcomes than anticipated which society doesn't have to accept.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Students ? You're proposing we track students ? It says something that the first example that's used (not just you, I've seen it many times elsewhere, too) is that we track the only group of people who by-and-large cannot consent, and not only that, but in a way that has permanent implications for their right to privacy. Further, the idea of facial recognition being used in every store is atrocious. Not only can they…

I'm pretty sure that umvi was sarcastic. Think about his last sentence.

Poe's law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

If you're going to be sarcastic over the text on the internet, please make your intent clear with a "/s".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Students ? You're proposing we track students ? It says something that the first example that's used (not just you, I've seen it many times elsewhere, too) is that we track the only group of people who by-and-large cannot consent, and not only that, but in a way that has permanent implications for their right to privacy. Further, the idea of facial recognition being used in every store is atrocious. Not only can they…

I'm pretty sure that umvi was sarcastic. Think about his last sentence.

I hate to cross-reference as that's technically breaking the rules, but their post history doesn't exactly suggest that they're being sarcastic, and their (three-person, all related) company's privacy policy seems to be "We're taking your data, and hell yes we're going to sell it."

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Yep, and its also not a reasonable thing to say "If you go outside you accept total surveillance." Since going outside is a requirement for life. I find it acceptable that if I go outside I might get caught on some store security camera and that video sits on a hard drive for a week and then gets written over but I do not find it acceptable that the store camera recognizes my face and stores my presence in an easily…

Yeah, "find it acceptable" is good verbiage. There seems to be a lot of conflation on this subject between "expectation of privacy" in the practical sense and "expectation of privacy" in the legal sense. Like, you'd better fuckin believe I expect not to be followed by cops or secret agents everywhere I go. I expect it on the persistence forecast basis and because I understand that it's practically impossible to alloc…

With aerial planes, and facial recognition everywhere, they won't have to.

They can sit at home, and watch you, and you yesterday, and if they're really intrigued, you ten years ago!

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And I'd be fine with that whenever that would happen by a person organically making the decision to do so.

Next gig economy job/alternate reality game: public surveillance

Public plate scanning as a job into private databases for private investigators, repo men, and the feds to purchase already exists.

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I'd expect the same privacy we were getting before such technology came along.

Which is none? Anyone can walk up to you on the street and take your picture.

Worthwhile to point out that this applies predominantly to the US. In many countries, public pictures can only be taken with the individuals' consent, Germany for example and many other European countries have a 'right to your own image/likeness' or a concept along similar lines.

That said the difference between law enforcement collecting your data and private citizens should also be obvious.

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