Here's what I would advise. Do not under any circumstances quit your job. I've lived through a similar scenario, and while I had a ton of savings, quitting my job resulted in chaos. Poor sleep schedule, dropping motivation, etc. I would get a therapist. Secondly, if your job is stressful, try and find another developer job at a large slow moving, mediocre paying corporation. Mostly recovering from burnout takes time,…
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#122A lot of people mention therapy. If you need specific recommendations, I am close friends with a therapist in Toronto that is starting up her own practice: personal page (WIP): https://meganpsychotherapy.com/ Association page: http://thecalmcollective.ca/megan-lawrence-therapist/ I haven't visited her in a professional context, but I've known her for over 10 years and I have confidence in her abilities. She's very ap…
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
The biggest thing that fixed my burnout was actually getting laid off during the recession (09). And being unemployed for a few months. Fortunately this was in the summer, and I spend many days up at the camper (we had an already paid for seasonal spot about an hour away). I found myself sleeping so hard during the afternoons that I slept through several recruiters calling me back. Then when I finally landed a new jo…
> Problem is, after more than a decade I find myself constantly tired and unmotivated for anything. I fear that burnout is starting again... That statement relates to a feeling I have about burnout - I don't believe you fully recover from it. At least in my experience, while I (and others I've discussed this with) recovered by some point, I also felt something was left permanently weakened, in a way that made me incr…
Coding originally pulled me out of a funk, it gave me something to work at. But now, I feel like I lost so much passion. I can't imagine coding in my free time even if I wasn't a developer anymore.
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#124Dumb question: But have you taken a longish vacation? And I mean one that's 3-4 weeks or more that has nothing to do with work?
OP is canadian but in USA, the normal amount of vacation time is 2 weeks per year.
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#125Here's what I would advise. Do not under any circumstances quit your job. I've lived through a similar scenario, and while I had a ton of savings, quitting my job resulted in chaos. Poor sleep schedule, dropping motivation, etc. I would get a therapist. Secondly, if your job is stressful, try and find another developer job at a large slow moving, mediocre paying corporation. Mostly recovering from burnout takes time,…
I strongly, but politely, disagree because I took a year off and completely retooled my career. You must exercise, eat healthy, keep a schedule, and eliminate all distractions. Live somewhere cheap and focus on career and personal development. Don’t look for a job until 10 months of intense studying and development. Only do this if you are truly committed to changing the direction of your career. This was probably th…
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#126It's been a very tough transition for me after a complete burnout two years ago.
Now I am divorced and the healthiest I have been in a long time.
I took a pay cut but I am enjoying my work again. Unplug. You can retool later when you actually care again.
Life is so much more than stupid computers, corporate bs and the technical puzzles we fret over.
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#127Not that it's important making this distinction, but what you're describing doesn't sound like occupational burnout; you've listed significant trauma that are only exacerbating your work-related stress, and I'm really sorry you're going through this! First, I would agree with @codingslave in that you SHOULD NOT quit your job, if you can help it. Let me explain: Work provides important scaffolding when you are in a ru…
Others can feel free to agree or disagree with me, this is what works for me:
Read - A minor level of isolation is okay as long as it's not with your thoughts, read something uplifting or insightful (I recently read the Rosie Result, and Meditations post breakup).
Active - Physically, join a gym or running group, something social to at least be around people, you don't necessarily have to engage, but in climbing gyms for example, people tend to.
Active - Socially, like many have said: keep the job, join a group where you can help others, there are plenty of chances to volunteer, or join groups where you can help in Toronto, it's useful for distracting from what was, and thinking more about what can be. Talk to friends about your issues, maybe they're been through something like it and can help unlock an important facet as to why you're feeling the way you are.
Consistency - a pattern will help you to keep moving along, I can't stress enough that as long as there's no serious underlying psychological issue, only time and mental distractions will help.
Mental - Professional - Get help (I see that you are which is amazing, this is only to cover my suggestions). A good professional can help guide you along if you're willing to help them.
Mental - Personal - Meditation helps, I've recently been doing transcendental meditation, and honestly, it's pretty rad. It's not life changing, but it tones down the thoughts by a notch, at first the 20 minutes seems like forever, but after a couple of weeks, it's over in no time.
Time - Sometimes no matter how good your systems are, mental/emotional depression and burnout are no different that a cut, or broken bone. They need time, and no modern technology will accelerate it past the bodies maximum rate of healing.
Be patient, don't beat yourself up about not being productive, or positive, it's okay to feel like shit, or nothing at all, you win by not giving up, no matter how long it takes.
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#128I went through a rough patch recently with mental health too. I know how hard it can be but I have come out the other side a much stronger person and a lot clearer on what is important in life. Always hang in there, it gets better.
Everyone is different I know and I don't claim to be an expert but thought it might be worth listing some of the big things that helped me and seems to help a lot of others as well, just in case you find something:
- Exercise like you've never exercised before. If you ever had dreams of getting in shape or conquering a fitness challenge nothing motivated me more than knowing I might feel a little bit better mentally for it afterwards.
- Sleep. I got serious about making sure I got a good night sleep which was extremely hard at times. All the sleep hygiene tips are worth learning. Not getting too hot at night, blocking out all light, ear plugs, sleep meditations, stretching before bed, reading something calm and positive before bed, writing everything on your mind down so you can let it go etc etc
- Every day writing down 3 things I'm grateful for (even small things like a warm cup of tea), 1 happy thing that happened in the last 24 hours and 1 thing I'm looking forward to. There's something to all the gratitude diary stuff.
- Meditation and mindfulness were often the best way to get a break from it. Learning these skills is one of the best things I've ever done.
- Controlled breathing gave me some control of my nervous system. To calm things down and slow my thoughts (especially in the middle of the night) I personally found the 4-7-8 breathing technique worked well for me if done properly but there's lot of others taught in yoga etc as well.
- Socialise and talk to people a lot, even if you don't feel like it.
- Help others. It is the right thing to do and it feels good and takes the focus off you.
- Learn new things, take on new challenges, things that you have no expectations about.
- Possibly the hardest but best lesson I learnt of all though was not to buy into the negative thoughts my brain was having. Realising that I'm only thinking that way because of the state my brain is in and that the state it is in today isn't necessarily the state it will be in tomorrow, next week or next month. The world is a great and amazing place. If it doesn't seem that way right now it's just because of the state I'm in now but that state will change and when it does change the world does indeed seem great and amazing again.
I also tend to agree with the advice of staying in your job. For me there was an element of not being able to deal with too much but at the same time, running from all responsibility and work wasn't the answer either so it was a balance to be found until I could get back to full capacity. Taking on as much responsibility as I could handle at each step helped to improve my self worth and helped a lot too. But that's just me so I hope you find what is best for you.
Hang in there and best of luck to you!
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#129You do have a huge amount of stress in your life. Plenty of people would break down under half that. (Seriously, suppose it was one sexual assault and the breakup. That is enough to fuck a lot of people up.)
I can't tell whether you already know this stuff. If so you can skip this paragraph:
If I came into my therapist's office and told her I had your symptoms, she would tell me that I had anxiety and depression from all the stress I was carrying around. I know this because I've already done it. I didn't want to do it because I didn't want to think of myself as crazy (mental illness has a lot of stigma attached to it), so I resisted for a year or two. But eventually my problems got serious enough that I couldn't deal with them any other way. Waiting caused me a lot of trouble. I'm still pissed that I can't get those years back.
I've never had PTSD, so I don't know what a therapist would say about your symptoms. But I do know PTSD is treatable, as are anxiety and depression. The treatments aren't as easy as taking a pill (though the option is there). They work slowly, and they're process-oriented, so they discourage you from asking when do I get better? But the time does come when you feel normal again.
A few pieces of random advice:
- Stop working until you get this sorted out. Mental health issues tend to take away your ability to introspect. You could get worse without realizing it, cause a lot of problems for your employer, maybe get fired and have a black mark on your record.
- You may not want to tell your employer why you're leaving. I don't know what the culture is like in Toronto, but in the US people can get a little strange about mental illness. Unless you get special mental health benefits or something (and maybe even then) it's a good idea to just say "personal issues" when they ask you why you're leaving.
- You say you have a medical person. In the US medical people dispense drugs and see you once every month or two. Therapists see you every week, and they help you solve the majority of your problems. If it's an option, find a therapist that you like. You may have to sit through a couple of duds. My therapist is the primary reason I'm healthy today.
- Understand that one possible endgame here is a breakdown where you suddenly can't work or screw something up catastrophically (I've been there too :-). Try to be graceful about it, but one way or another you should put everything down so you can focus on getting better.
- my email's in my profile if you want to talk.