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Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

#91
Not that it's important making this distinction, but what you're describing doesn't sound like occupational burnout; you've listed significant trauma that are only exacerbating your work-related stress, and I'm really sorry you're going through this!

First, I would agree with @codingslave in that you SHOULD NOT quit your job, if you can help it. Let me explain: Work provides important scaffolding when you are in a rut. It provides routine and social contact. Without it, it is possible you might start sliding into poor sleeping habits and withdrawing socially, which can make things even worse. At the very least, find a less stressful job to move to before leaving your current one. If this is hard to do, please reach out to family or friends for help. Please understand that it's absolutely okay to struggle and have bad days. Give yourself permission to feel.

Second, it's awesome that you're seeing a medical professional/therapist about this, and I encourage you to keep doing so regularly. "What should I do?" I think you're approaching this well. I wish you the best!

Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

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The biggest thing that fixed my burnout was actually getting laid off during the recession (09). And being unemployed for a few months. Fortunately this was in the summer, and I spend many days up at the camper (we had an already paid for seasonal spot about an hour away). I found myself sleeping so hard during the afternoons that I slept through several recruiters calling me back. Then when I finally landed a new jo…

Is taking a month or two off impossible? It sounds like you could really use a break.

The thing is, in a couple jobs I had there was negative tension, as if management or others in the organization were in a constant battle to find something wrong with you. Something that could get you fired or keep you down. So you had that sick feeling going into work, where you were constantly being gaslighted along with plenty of passive aggressiveness.

Whereas where I am now, I am well liked, people bend over backwards to support others, and everyone is working toward the same goal. It helps that the industry itself make a positive impact on people. The main feeling I get now, is similar to what I get whenever I finish a major project (including personal projects, such as designing and building a shed, creating a programming language, or designing a highly functional desk). It is a mental version of physical exhaustion you get after a strenuous activity.

So every day I end up with a bunch of small accomplishments, and periodically something major at work, which feels good. But I am also very tired. I get plenty of vacation days, but really need to make better use of them.

Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

#94
I also have problems not the same but you need to seek professional help if you have a hard time coping. From your post it appears your job is not the problem but outside factors.

I also suggest reading "Maybe you should talk to someone".

We are rewarded for seeming happy and excited all the time, but often we need people in our life who we can open up to.

Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

#95

Here's what I would advise. Do not under any circumstances quit your job. I've lived through a similar scenario, and while I had a ton of savings, quitting my job resulted in chaos. Poor sleep schedule, dropping motivation, etc. I would get a therapist. Secondly, if your job is stressful, try and find another developer job at a large slow moving, mediocre paying corporation. Mostly recovering from burnout takes time,…

Hesitate to recommend anything in this particular situation, but one thing I’ve noticed that works for me is: when going through a difficult time, try to maintain stability in other aspects of your life. So relationship breakup -> maintain job and location, for a few months at least, to allow myself to process the breakup without worrying about other things. YMMV.

Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

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Here's what I would advise. Do not under any circumstances quit your job. I've lived through a similar scenario, and while I had a ton of savings, quitting my job resulted in chaos. Poor sleep schedule, dropping motivation, etc. I would get a therapist. Secondly, if your job is stressful, try and find another developer job at a large slow moving, mediocre paying corporation. Mostly recovering from burnout takes time,…

The biggest thing that fixed my burnout was actually getting laid off during the recession (09). And being unemployed for a few months. Fortunately this was in the summer, and I spend many days up at the camper (we had an already paid for seasonal spot about an hour away). I found myself sleeping so hard during the afternoons that I slept through several recruiters calling me back. Then when I finally landed a new jo…

Maybe, but I think people underestimate the degree to which having a job keeps their lives in order. Self regulation in the sense of no job, daily schedule, and responsibilities when coupled with depression and burnout, is very difficult to navigate. Most people never spend long periods of time unemployed, we arent skilled for it. I also think that burnout can last a long time, longer than you can stay unemployed for. But I can see your point of view, I just think there's a risk.

Another thing to add is tenure on your resume matters, so if you are going through a tough period, and this person does end up getting fired in a year, they still have a two year stint. Much better than one year, people look at this stuff when they suspect the individual has had life difficulties.

Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

#97

Here's what I would advise. Do not under any circumstances quit your job. I've lived through a similar scenario, and while I had a ton of savings, quitting my job resulted in chaos. Poor sleep schedule, dropping motivation, etc. I would get a therapist. Secondly, if your job is stressful, try and find another developer job at a large slow moving, mediocre paying corporation. Mostly recovering from burnout takes time,…

Hesitate to recommend anything in this particular situation, but one thing I’ve noticed that works for me is: when going through a difficult time, try to maintain stability in other aspects of your life. So relationship breakup -> maintain job and location, for a few months at least, to allow myself to process the breakup without worrying about other things. YMMV.

Yeah exactly, getting stuff done at work, getting in at the same time every day, etc can be your life line. Multiple failing areas of your life is what really knocks people out, one is manageable.

Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

#98
I’m no expert but a few suggestions that have helped me in the past: a holiday to clear the mind, work is not your identity you need some free time from it, and it’s important to enjoy work so perhaps a more fun workplace or a change if your boss gives you anxiety? Hope this helps

Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

#99

Not that it's important making this distinction, but what you're describing doesn't sound like occupational burnout; you've listed significant trauma that are only exacerbating your work-related stress, and I'm really sorry you're going through this! First, I would agree with @codingslave in that you SHOULD NOT quit your job, if you can help it. Let me explain: Work provides important scaffolding when you are in a ru…

That is so true: “ SHOULD NOT quit your job, if you can help it. Let me explain: Work provides important scaffolding when you are in a rut. “

Re: Ask HN: I think I’ve burnt out. What should I do?

#100
I feel I need to disclaimer what I'm about to write so here goes.

Disclaimer: It's not my intention to offend anyone or brag or trivialize this. This is me asking a question out of curiosity and concern for my wellbeing.

Ok so, everytime I read about someone having a burnout or taking 3 months off to recover from burnout etc, I immediately think "oh here we go again, another crybaby". I know that everyone is different and everyone has their limits and that is ok. But I can't help but compare with myself and then I end up in the same question:

"Are all these people just weak, quick to complain, taking advantage of an employer, bad at managing their feelings and time OR am I just too hard on myself?"

While reading the OP's text, I have had some of the things they had, not everything. Reading other people's burnout stories sound familiar. I've had big breakups, I've had long steaks of overwork with little return in the expected results to be generated, I've had days where motivation was lacking for anything, not just work, I've had days where the lack of sleep causes lack of focus and motivation which causes more lack of sleep etc, and the list goes on.

What I find myself doing is just powering through. It might take a week or a month or three, but I end up fine or better than before. I don't know if that means I am stronger or better OR just not as burnt out as these other people. When talking with family and friends I have often said that what I want/need is more free time from work. That way I can relax and feel less stressed, and hopefully in due time work on some of my projects and ideas, yet so far I've been doing a normal 40 hours/week job with extra times often. I have tried to change my times to 4 days a week or 6 hours a day unsuccessfully so far. I sometimes feel I'm wasting this time.

How do you actually know is you are burnt out? How do you know if you can overcome it alone? How do I know if I'm not burnt out or if I'm strong enough to overcome it or if I'm stupid enough to ignore the signs or if everyone else is weak or if everyone else is doing the right thing?

That's all. I wish you best of luck and hope you feel better soon. Work is always better when it can be something you're proud of, and excited to go to. Again, I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else. This is my brain dumping all my thoughts and concerns in the hopes that I might get some interesting advice or food for thought. Thank you.

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