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Re: Clayton Christensen has died

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Post by seanlane »

paulddraper wrote: post #33
ticmasta wrote: post #28

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So without stereotyping too harshly, I wonder if his humility came from his faith? I've met quite a few LDS who show significant tolerance for beliefs that conflict with their own, maybe because historically Mormons have been the victims of intolerance?

As with many religions, "tolerance" is a sensitive issue: blacks, women, LGBT. But yes, there is the stereotype of a humble/reserved successful Mormon businessman. (E.g. I'd put Mitt Romney in that category too)

Off topic, but FYI: the link in your bio goes to a 404 page for Rivet Health, which links to a designer template site of some sort.

https://rivethealth.com/careers/

Re: Clayton Christensen has died

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Post by 1123581321 »

chrispeel wrote: post #31
NeutralCrane wrote: post #25

More than anything, I admire him for the way in exemplified a balanced life. He was obviously hugely influential in the realm of business, but his career was clearly only ever a single part of his life, rather than the entirety of his life. He was wise without being arrogant. He was spiritual and contemplative without being preachy. He seems very much like the kind of person I aspire to be.

I did not find Christensen to be especially humble. I recall thinking his response to Jill Lepore's story [1] to be ... not humble. To be clear, I think Christensen's ideas are useful. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/06/23/the-disruption...

I found that article frustrating for its refusal or inability to directly evaluate the theory. Was his response along those lines?

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Post by jacurtis »

wahern wrote: post #85
castlecrasher2 wrote: post #57

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Not to mention Utah was the second state to grant women the right to vote.

That implies that Utah is (or was) a theological state, which is an accusation and stereotype the LDS Church has been fighting since before statehood.

Utah WAS a theological state, which is why the federal government refused their initial requests for statehood. Which also relates to the motivation for Utah to allow woman to vote. Within Mormonism (at the time), polygamy was allowed among approved church members. Allowing women to vote gave these approved church members essentially extra votes since some of these men had over 50 wives! Obedience to patriartical rule is a critical component of Mormonism, and this influence could be leveraged to make things happen in accordance to the church's wishes.

Re: Clayton Christensen has died

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Post by jacurtis »

warent wrote: post #29
ticmasta wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So without stereotyping too harshly, I wonder if his humility came from his faith? I've met quite a few LDS who show significant tolerance for beliefs that conflict with their own, maybe because historically Mormons have been the victims of intolerance?

It's interesting because I've always perceived Mormonism (at least the dogmatic kind) as being intolerant given its history of racism and sexism. I suppose a lot has changed over the years, although I've still never met a black mormon and I even lived in Boise for like 4 years

This is largely because up until 1976 the Mormon church didn't allow Black members into its temples or to receive the priesthood (which is an essential step within Mormonism).

Imagine joining and/or believing in a church that said "because you are black, you can't go to our glorious temples that we talk so much about. And you can't go to the highest form of heaven because you are black."

This is literally the way it was (not exaggerating whatsoever). Luckily the NCAAP started to attack the church since they were one of the most blatantly open racist institutions going into the 1980s. The leadership of the church realized they wouldn't win this fight and changed the rules.

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Post by dundercoder »

paulddraper wrote: post #41
wahern wrote: post #37

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Not many religions in the U.S. have tolerance issues with "blacks" or "women", per se. The LDS church was unique in that regard. But to be fair, that aspect seems to have been sincerely discarded. What lingers is the uncomfortable landscape it finds itself in, and given the background racial landscape in the U.S., I'm sure it'll be an especially long journey out of that wilderness.

Almost every religion that has been around as long as the LDS Church has the same issues. But if you're comparing it to churches that have been around only 10, 30, or 50 years, sure. --- It used to be that the LDS Church was "too" pro-black by society's standards. That was a large reason for Missouri's infamous Mormon "Extermination Order": > We believed them deluded fanatics, or weak and designing knaves, and that t…

Wow. I had never read the manifesto before. That is incredibly interesting, and actually makes a lot more sense why the Missourians were incensed.

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Post by CalChris »

hmhhcycbtsc557 wrote: post #95
chrispeel wrote: post #31

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I did not find Christensen to be especially humble. I recall thinking his response to Jill Lepore's story [1] to be ... not humble. To be clear, I think Christensen's ideas are useful. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/06/23/the-disruption...

Would you be able to point me to his response? I found Lepore's story fascinating.

I agree. She's a fine writer.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-20/clayton-c...

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Post by rtkaratekid »

DanCarvajal wrote: post #74
tomrod wrote: post #66

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I shared your feelings before leaving Mormonism (I was heavily involved in setting up the billboard community found in r/latterdaysaints and community engagement via r/mormon several years ago). Over 100k former Mormons are there. You get the full spectrum. It offers a community to people who are kicked out of where their weekly community is no longer available (really, read their experiences sometime). A lot of peop…

As an atheist who lives in Utah, I wish r/exmormon would calm down a bit. The echo chamber groupthink there is staggering.

As an exmo, I think that sub is toxic and unhealthy and a terrible way to find balanced views. Very off topic from the article but I like to put that plug in wherever I can.

Re: Clayton Christensen has died

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Post by gigatexal »

jchallis wrote: post #17
gigatexal wrote: post #6

Mormon here and I had no idea how influential he was to some of the greats in business.

His faith was extremely important to him. His essay on why he chose not to play basketball on Sunday, because it was the first compromise that would lead to every other compromise, has helped me keep my own moral compass pointed north.

Ain’t that the truth. Without getting into details the path to many stupid heartbreaking things I’ve done began with a small compromise. A Monson quote has become all too poignant to me of late: “ One writer said that the door of history turns on small hinges, and so do people’s lives. If we were to apply that maxim to our lives, we could say that we are the result of many small decisions. In effect, we are the product of our choices. We must develop the capacity to recall the past, to evaluate the present, and to look into the future in order to accomplish in our lives what the Lord would have us do.” Fortunately I’ve moved on and learned from my mistakes but it’s just eery how little things lead to the big ones.
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