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ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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I was diagnosed in my 30s in part by the T.O.V.A. test, which gave me surprising insights. The hardest part of the test for me was to stop pushing the button when it told me to. It's hard to describe how difficult that was for me. By the end I distinctly recall the familiar sense I had in school of feeling dumb, inadequate, and frustrated. In the T.O.V.A. results I was normal range for Inattention and Reaction Time.…

When I got diagnosed one of the tests (don't know if it was specifically T.O.V.A.) was a very simple impulse control exercise: when an "O" appeared on the screen, I was supposed to push a button. When an "X" appeared on the screen, I was supposed to not push the button.

I did so badly that I felt the need to "apologize" to the test giver, explaining that I really did understand the instructions I just (physically) couldn't catch myself when the "X" appeared. What would happen is I'd start off slow and increasingly react faster and faster to the O's until I hit an X. Then I'd go oh crap I messed up OK gotta slow down. Next thing I knew I was reacting to O's again within 10th's of a second and of course unable to stop in time when the X appeared.

It was a concrete demonstration of the idea about an ADHD brain being like driving a car with a responsive accelerator but the brakes barely or don't work.

Edit: almost forgot - after getting prescribed adderall I was able to read research papers for the first time in my life. Prior to that I couldn't concentrate well enough to actually read them. This despite having participated in a Research Experiences for Undergraduates program. I was able to "fake it" for two years and never admit I couldn't actually read or buckle down to write research papers. I had always felt some shame about that but after ADHD medication I realize it was a disability and not just laziness. I no longer take medicine for ADHD but just having had the experience of being able to focus changed my outlook on things.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Cannabis definitely helps the irritability and loss of appetite. But ironically it helps me even enough as a cure on it's own. I no longer take or need stimulants.

I've tried it but never got anything but crazy anxiety for my troubles. Maybe I'll try something light on the sativa and heavy on the indica sometime.

If it helps any, sativas don't work on my wife and I, only indicas do.

Also that tends to go away once you build your tolerance, it's just kind of overwhelming at first because the weed these days is really strong.

I actually smoke to reduce my anxiety as well.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Meditation helped me to deal with ADHD immensely. My ability to focus and concentrate is now on par if not better than most of my peers, though it requires me to spend about an hour every day in the morning to meditate. I find that it’s very much worth the time investment, and would recommend anyone struggling with focus/anxiety to try it themselves.

How long did it take you to see results? I've battled (manageable) ADHD all my life and have been meditating for around a year. I've seen many positive impacts on my life, but the ADHD is still very much a thing I still battle.

Interestingly enough, it took until I stopped trying to think of meditation as something to game or try and get something out of, for it to finally start working.

My personal hypothesis is that the inherent expectation of wanting/needing to feel some kind of effect every time I tried meditating ended up being the very blockade that prevented me from doing so. I kept falling into a negative recursive thought loop of, “I haven’t noticed anything yet. This isn’t working. There’s no point in trying to continue meditating” that cycled into a cascading growth of anxiety that prevented me from reaching a state of balance.

It took me many months to realize that I was trapping myself inside this loop, but once I became aware of it, I was able to almost immediately start seeing results. The biggest thing that helped me was coming to a realization that the thoughts in my head are, at the end of the day, just thoughts. They have no ability to harm or control me other than what I choose to allow them to. The thought loop I was putting myself into could only continue because I chose to let it.

When I meditate in the present day, you might think that I no longer deal with any of these issues. That’s actually completely not the case. In fact, I constantly still get it, especially at the beginning of my sessions, but now instead of stressing out, I just choose to let it go. By actively choosing to accept and let things go, the loop breaks right from the beginning.

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About getting treatment: it's extremely irritating that some people judge using Ritalin is somehow morally wrong. Yes, I get that "lifestyle changes" could help, but I don't want to change my lifestyle. Imagine if there was a pill to reduce risk of cardiac arrest, with some increased risk of something relatively minor. Can you imagine the uproar if cardiologists denied prescribing the pill, instead forcing people to…

Well, I admit I'm biased because I started taking ADHD meds and then had a manic/psychotic episode, that involved me getting involuntarily committed to a psych ward and burning all my career bridges, and also got diagnosed with heart failure, and I attribute a huge chunk of the blame to the ADHD meds. Both my psychiatrists and cardiologists insisted I needed even more meds or things would get worse, but instead I jus…

Stimulants have the adverse effect of harming the mitochondria/metabolism.

Most conditions improve when the metabolism is normalized. B-vitamins are pro-metabolic.

Sometimes doctors do good work. My girlfriend's doctors eventually figured out that she is a poor methylator, and can't convert folic acid into folate (Vitamin B-9). She therefore absolutely requires a dietary source of Folate, instead of the folic acid that is used to fortify many foods. She said this vitamin was profoundly helpful for her complaint of "depression".

Sometimes doctors make work for themselves. Using Stimulants to treat metabolic problems is an exercise in futility.

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ADHD is not a disease. It’s a collection of symptoms that have been arbitrarily grouped together. My son’s psychiatrist who was diagnosing my son for ADHD said that it’s psychiatry’s dirty little secret. Back in the 60s or 70s ( I can’t remember what he said) people were starting to notice that kids were having behavioral problems, trouble focusing etc. So what they did was collect a group of symptoms, and then arbit…

Now could you explain away major depression using the same logic?

I think a lot of stuff related to depression and ADHD is environmental too. Instead of fixing or helping just drug everyone is the plan. If you're sick of the cold winter, hate your job, etc don't think pills is the answer, should try to move somewhere warmer with a better job.

Then kids not paying attention in school, maybe it's boring or they feel it's useless to them so forcing them to do what they don't want, instead of tailoring their education instead it's one size fit's all. Plus teachers recommend getting kids checked, because then you are labeled as disabled and the school gets extra funding to go into the teachers pension program.

There's someone I know who was told their kid didn't have ADHD, so shopped around and went to another doctor, and then eventually went to another doctor. Kinda like the whole antibiotics resistance thing, people expect if they have a cold that the doctor will give them pills even if it isn't going to really help. Seems like doctors in general just love drugging people, instead of fixing a symptom at the root of the cause drug them and then drug them more for the side effects to cover them up. It'd be like taking your car to the mechanic for a check engine light, and instead of checking the OBD codes and stuff they just unplug the check engine light.

I think a lot of psychiatry is just a form of massive insurance fraud, there's a nonprofit organization that makes documentaries called CCHR. However CCHR is founded by the church of scientology which I know many not a fan of but I think they have some good information. I really wish CCHR would disconnect it self from scientology so it could stand on it's own as I really like their message, but I feel a bit of a conflict since it's related to scientology which is an entire topic on it's own, I guess you have to pay thousands just to level up and all these other horror stories about scientology.

I think drugging children is also a form child abuse, and destroying childhood creativity. Probably if they pushed this stuff when Albert Einstein, Steve Jobs or other successful startup founders were children, who knows if they'd be as successful as they ended up being. One of the pills pushed ended up making males grow large breasts too. Then there's reports another drug can cause brain damage too along with heart conditions(which usually you think it happens in older people but young people can have heart attacks too on this crap). They even want to drug 3 and 5 year olds too. If I was in power, I'd have these drug makers and so called doctors imprisoned for life. Also diet and exercise some believe also helps, add these GMOs and other chemicals in the food, artificial sweeteners can mess with dopamine receptors, etc. So I think I see the larger picture, but many just want a pill and then go back to watching TV or smoking instead of trying to improve their families healthy lifestyle. Kinda like how parents don't even try to teach their children, they just send them to school. Lazy parenting is also part of the problem.

But I guess not a one solution fits all, some people say the pills and stuff helped them. I think counselors could be valuable too, maybe even help you see things from another prospective but some insurance companies won't pay for a counselor unless you also are on drugs. Some people don't even feel like anyone cares about them either, so I think having someone to listen and who seems on your side with issues is also a positive, but I know some counselors want to record your sessions so I find that kinda creepy also as feels less private so you could be less open about things.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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What I don't understand is - why is it a problem that somebody performs better on medication? Life isn't sports or a game. It's not a competition. Shouldn't people be happy that someone else can keep their life together? That's less of a burden on society. > Ever spent a day off staring at a wall dreading the possibility that you might waste a day until you realize the sun has gone down? That sounds silly and boring.…

> It's not a competition. Are you kidding? Life in a capitalistic economy is _absolutely_ a competition.

In a capitalist economy, others doing well generally benefits you. It's not zero-sum.

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I’m 31 and have ADHD (diagnosed in my teens) and I’m pretty sure NOBODY with ADHD is going to have the wherewithal to read this entire article! Unless it happens to magically coincide with their hyper-focus topic of the moment! In all seriousness, I skimmed parts of the article and kept scrolling and it just kept going and going and going... like the Energizer bunny. I guess the author found a doctor to prescribe sti…

> Unless it happens to magically coincide with their hyper-focus topic of the moment! It's funny. People with ADHD suffer from attention deficit but at the same time they display hyperattention when they encounter a subject they like. I've experienced it as well: once I start programming I have no problem doing it for 12 hours straight. I've found this trait in many ADHD patients. There's usually something that reall…

* There's usually something that really turns them on and I always try to find it.*

Yep, and that something can drift over years, days, even minutes. I find code very conducive to hyperfocus, maybe more so than something like playing guitar - it's funny, because so much of coding can be mundane and repetitive, but that quality seems to help with getting started and finding a flow state.

I rarely hyperfocus on writing music or playing instruments anymore, but I used to zone out and play for hours. I'm not sure what changes in a person that makes that more difficult one day than the next.

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Before going down a road that involves powerful stimulants that have a high likelihood of abuse or misuse -- the danger is that they're fun, and one develops a tolerance, just like other similar illegal drugs -- it might be worthwhile to investigate a mediation practice, or other exercises to improve your attention. If you're already high functioning its likely not as bad as it seems. From experience: First thing to…

> the danger is that they're fun I don't know about others, but fun isn't the word I'd use to describe the ADHD medication which I'm basically chained to for life because I cannot function without it, and yet causes me so many other problems that I need to work around or cope with like loss of appetite (food is no longer a thing I enjoy), insomnia, anxiety, restlessness and mood swings. Where's the fun part again? Ar…

> But in the beginning -- especially if you've never experimented with stimulants recreationally -- you'll feel better than you ever have. Stimulants are euphoric. It's a trap, it wears off. Side-effects are likely. I've said it in a previous comment, but it's profound and interesting until it's not, and once the stimulants are gone a dark depression is very possible.

As I said further down. It's most certainly not fun later. And it was a difficult as all hell to finally quit.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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ADHD is not a disease. It’s a collection of symptoms that have been arbitrarily grouped together. My son’s psychiatrist who was diagnosing my son for ADHD said that it’s psychiatry’s dirty little secret. Back in the 60s or 70s ( I can’t remember what he said) people were starting to notice that kids were having behavioral problems, trouble focusing etc. So what they did was collect a group of symptoms, and then arbit…

> It’s not a real disease like other diseases, it’s a collection of symptoms. Any disease with "syndrome" in its name is just a collection of symptoms. That's literally what syndrome means. Your information about ADHD is offensively wrong, and its underdiagnosis and undertreatment due to misinformation ruins far more lives than than there are people with anxiety being mistakenly prescribed stimulants.

ADHD has no known causal model. It is not a singular thing.

Downs syndrome as a counter example has a known messurabe causal model.

It is truth, regardless if it is offensive or not. Regardless of your interpretation.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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A pill that decreases the risk of cardiac arrest is very different than a pill that is psychoactive. Many people just can't relate to taking a drug that quite literally changes your behavior on a day-to-day basis, even if it has positive effects on your life. This is something I myself have struggled with. I suffer from anxiety but I can't bring myself to take medication because I like the person I am and I don't wan…

" Lanham, Md. (Jan. 8, 2019)— The message is clear. Treatment for attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), along with the related health risks it poses, has the possibility of adding an average of nine to 13 years to the lifespan of children and adults diagnosed with ADHD. This is the implication of a cutting-edge research study conducted by Russell A. Barkley, Ph.D., who evaluated the connection between ADHD…

I feel like you're now arguing in bad faith. Medicine for heart health does not change your behavior significantly. ADHD medication does. That's the distinction I'm trying to make.
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