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In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by des_t »

Koremat6666 wrote: post #61
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian media uncritically promotes government propaganda. I visited my parents back home, and the news channels are unrelenting in their defense of the govt

That is unfair. Republic and India tv appears to be pro government where as NDTV and other appears to be anti-BJP channels.

Check out the analysis of 200 prime-time debates done by peeing human. Republic, India TV, Zee News, ABP News, Aaj Tak, Times Now, Sudarshan News and countless regional channels are pro-govt. NDTV is the last channel standing.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by vannevar »

president wrote: post #27
wtmt wrote: post #5

> NC: One thing that’s happened is the press has been pretty much muzzled. They are very uncritical. This is a big issue with mass media in India that many don’t realize or want to realize. Between — a) most of the mainstream media houses (except a few) not asking tough questions (but supporting the government for everything), b) the Supreme Court ignoring important cases and not hearing them for years and c) the amo…

I guess you could say the same in the US. Actual facts and critical discourse have to be actively sought out by people who actually care about these things while the vast majority are swimming in a sea of mainstream media noise.

In the US, the problem is less the sea of mainstream media noise than it is the carefully crafted puddle of right-wing misinformation, anchored by Fox News and bolstered by a variety of foreign and domestic special interests operating in social media.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by 0x8BADF00D »

Strangely enough, anyone who is against globalism/neoliberalism is now being labeled as a fascist. Even on here, if you espouse free market ideas, you are instantly downvoted. Fascism has nothing to do with populism or the free market. It is a system where the government takes control of the economy. Don’t be fooled.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by vsskanth »

ignoramous wrote: post #73
vsskanth wrote: post #39

The right wing party in India came to power in 2014 in a perfect storm of a very popular leader and a pretty weak opposition. Opposition was further weakened electorally with demonetization right before elections in the most populous state of India (UP). They were able to successfully capture most institutions (RBI, supreme courts, investigative agencies) in addition to capturing the media through corporate ownership…

There's more to democracy than opposition. I must remind you that the opposition was at the center of many a scams when it was in power. They're no good. There aren't very many better alternatives. The citizens taking up to protests is the right way forward. The fascist ideals of the current incumbent is plain to see in these times of mass dissent. That's the point of worry here. Not opposition, not the ruling party,…

By opposition, I didn't specifically mean Congress. I meant a political alternative that's better than what we have, hopefully citizen driven. Protests are temporary. Ultimately you need to vote for someone in elections to change the system.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by pjc50 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #74
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can substitute India for America and your points stand. I think there's lots of blame to go on companies like Cambridge analytica. That tech is literally a weapon of mass destruction.

You think the US media supports the US government for everything? Have you been reading the news the past 3 years? It seems to me to be just the opposite, where a majority of the voices in the media are against whatever the government(ie Trump) does. Heck, the few times when segments of the media agree with the government, it comes couched in language like "I hate Trump as much as you, but this time he might be onto…

The press in the US is just as factional as the parties. But there's a subset who live off slander - Alex Jones eventually got sued off the air for lying about Sandy Hook. That kind of thing does far more damage than just supporting one party or the other.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by newfriend »

Despegar wrote: post #32
kbenson wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With such a large percentage of the population of not just the country in question in the article, but also the entire world, I'm not sure they can be seen to be "the other" to the same degree as the Jews were, given how common they are. In 1933, there were an estimated 15 million Jews worldwide[1], 9 million or so in Europe. In Germany, with the largest Jewish population, they accounted for less than 1% of the popul…

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> xenophobic polices like travel bans from predominately Muslim countries

Countries included in the travel ban:

  * Iran
  * Libya
  * North Korea
  * Somalia
  * Syria
  * Venezuela
  * Yemen
What do these countries have in common? Hint: it's not Muslims.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by snarf21 »

theseadroid wrote: post #34
coldcode wrote: post #8

Fascism rose in popularity 100 years ago as a political option. Perhaps it is undergoing a renaissance. I have no idea why anyone thinks its a good idea unless you are the person in charge but it seems to attract support.

Because you probably live a comfortable life. For people who are struggling and see no hope of changing for better they often support more extreme policies just to "rock the boat". Years of rising inequality in many societies have created more people who'd like to have things change drastically.

Additionally, it makes them more susceptible for the "someone to blame" agenda that these groups use. If your life is great and you have excess, this falls on deaf ears. This also leads towards terrorism and other violence as the futility of this life creates cracks for indoctrination.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by mdorazio »

vannevar wrote: post #92
president wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you could say the same in the US. Actual facts and critical discourse have to be actively sought out by people who actually care about these things while the vast majority are swimming in a sea of mainstream media noise.

In the US, the problem is less the sea of mainstream media noise than it is the carefully crafted puddle of right-wing misinformation, anchored by Fox News and bolstered by a variety of foreign and domestic special interests operating in social media.

I really hope you don't believe the left is free of misinformation, biased reporting, and algorithm-optimized bubble think. It's happening on both sides.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by downerending »

stackreality wrote: post #85
wtmt wrote: post #5

> NC: One thing that’s happened is the press has been pretty much muzzled. They are very uncritical. This is a big issue with mass media in India that many don’t realize or want to realize. Between — a) most of the mainstream media houses (except a few) not asking tough questions (but supporting the government for everything), b) the Supreme Court ignoring important cases and not hearing them for years and c) the amo…

> fake news spread through WhatsApp aka people communicating as they have for thousands of years. People love making up stories and spreading them. We need to stop blaming software for human nature.

There's a reason why Moses included it in the ten commandments...

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

weirdstuff wrote: post #4
cptaj wrote: post #3

This guy is a joke. He spent decades supporting the Chavist revolution in Venezuela. He has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

After a long and respected career at MIT he’s no joke.

A long and respected career at MIT in linguistics does not make him an expert on international events. (He may still be one, but linguistics at MIT is not qualification for that.)
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