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In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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As an Indian I would like to point out that NC has not authority to talk about India. He should rather focus on his home country instead of extending his colonial mindset to India.

As a fellow Indian, I think the author has every right to voice their opinion and you have every right to ignore it.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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post #48

I certainly don't support fascism but at least Hitler had some interest in science. Things are worse in India. We spent 0.8% of the GDP on Science and Technology. At the same time, a part of that (taxpayer money) is spent on Homeopathy, Ayurveda, and Cow Urine/Dung Research. Our policy-makers absolutely have no idea what evidence in science means. Here is an entertaining collection of statements by Indian ministers,…

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Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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The right wing party in India came to power in 2014 in a perfect storm of a very popular leader and a pretty weak opposition. Opposition was further weakened electorally with demonetization right before elections in the most populous state of India (UP). They were able to successfully capture most institutions (RBI, supreme courts, investigative agencies) in addition to capturing the media through corporate ownership…

There's more to democracy than opposition. I must remind you that the opposition was at the center of many a scams when it was in power. They're no good. There aren't very many better alternatives.

The citizens taking up to protests is the right way forward. The fascist ideals of the current incumbent is plain to see in these times of mass dissent. That's the point of worry here. Not opposition, not the ruling party, not the right-wing politics, per se; but the unsatiable thirst of a pro-violent party fronting a terrorist organisation to consolidate power with facist undertones.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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> NC: One thing that’s happened is the press has been pretty much muzzled. They are very uncritical. This is a big issue with mass media in India that many don’t realize or want to realize. Between — a) most of the mainstream media houses (except a few) not asking tough questions (but supporting the government for everything), b) the Supreme Court ignoring important cases and not hearing them for years and c) the amo…

You can substitute India for America and your points stand. I think there's lots of blame to go on companies like Cambridge analytica. That tech is literally a weapon of mass destruction.

You think the US media supports the US government for everything? Have you been reading the news the past 3 years? It seems to me to be just the opposite, where a majority of the voices in the media are against whatever the government(ie Trump) does. Heck, the few times when segments of the media agree with the government, it comes couched in language like "I hate Trump as much as you, but this time he might be onto something"

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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> NC: One thing that’s happened is the press has been pretty much muzzled. They are very uncritical. This is a big issue with mass media in India that many don’t realize or want to realize. Between — a) most of the mainstream media houses (except a few) not asking tough questions (but supporting the government for everything), b) the Supreme Court ignoring important cases and not hearing them for years and c) the amo…

I am beginning to think that fascism is mostly a runaway media effect. 100 years ago it was the beginnings of mass-media being understood and incorporated into politics; now it is the internet.

It seems like something akin to witchcraft crazes on a truly horrifying scale.

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Fascism rose in popularity 100 years ago as a political option. Perhaps it is undergoing a renaissance. I have no idea why anyone thinks its a good idea unless you are the person in charge but it seems to attract support.

What did Fascism rise in popularity in response to? Economic hardship (the Great Depression). Maybe the current trend is growing in the same soil.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With such a large percentage of the population of not just the country in question in the article, but also the entire world, I'm not sure they can be seen to be "the other" to the same degree as the Jews were, given how common they are. In 1933, there were an estimated 15 million Jews worldwide[1], 9 million or so in Europe. In Germany, with the largest Jewish population, they accounted for less than 1% of the popul…

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Rohingga are split Muslims and Hinduism. So it’s not about a specific religion, but rather an ethnic group. Similarly Jewish is an ethnic group with many Christians and atheists being killed in the holocaust.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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Truth: A sovereign country with a democratically elected govt with historic mandate, especially a developing country like India with history of innumerable islamic terrorist attacks originating from its neighbours, defending its borders from illegal migrants as per ruling party election manifesto. Woke 'intellectuals': fascism!!

Innumerable? Can you point me to stats of those claimed innumerable Islamist terrorist attacks? I'm willing to wager a bet that there have been more cow vigilante fatalities in the country than Islamic terrorism.

Whilst we are it, I'd encourage you to read https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2006/08/refuse_to_b...

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post #48

I certainly don't support fascism but at least Hitler had some interest in science. Things are worse in India. We spent 0.8% of the GDP on Science and Technology. At the same time, a part of that (taxpayer money) is spent on Homeopathy, Ayurveda, and Cow Urine/Dung Research. Our policy-makers absolutely have no idea what evidence in science means. Here is an entertaining collection of statements by Indian ministers,…

While I don't dispute that those things were said, they're meaningless without context. How many people made such statements compared with the number of ministers in India? Are these people still in power? Are they leaders in what they do, or are they on the margins and taken with a grain of salt/ignored by the masses and their peers? Are the sentiments you list commonplace among Indian politicians, or is this like w…

Yes, without the context it could be misleading that is why there is the hyperlink, so one can understand more.

Irrespective of what party is in power now or previously, the policy-makers should not be making these crazy claims. Please understand this is not a race to the bottom, anyone who holds public office should be held accountable. A countless number of people will take their words as the truth.

And to answer your question yes many of these people still hold the office and all comments were made when they held the office.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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post #8

Fascism rose in popularity 100 years ago as a political option. Perhaps it is undergoing a renaissance. I have no idea why anyone thinks its a good idea unless you are the person in charge but it seems to attract support.

I think the precursors are very important in understanding this. In India, before the current Modi regime, there was a strong need for a strong leader. Congress (previous ruling party) suffers from Family rule and sycophants. Modi looked like a god-send to the masses. Now with a strong majority and into the 2nd term, the Fascist undertones are starting to emerge.

I can not not to find parallels with Xi. Just Modi, he looked like a god sent safe candidate for party leadership: unaligned, far from being a clear kleptocrat, and having just enough of his own skill and charisma to hold the seat on his own till last of nineties era elites retire.

Now people who propped him out can't regret it more.

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