I work in healthcare, our main app runs in an embedded IE10 and this will likely _never_ change. I fully expect to need to support IE for the next 10 years.
Retiring Internet Explorer
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Re: Retiring Internet Explorer
#52I know I'm in the minority on this, but I love the feel of IE, it feels like the most OS-integrated browser I've ever used. Of course, Trident was based off the same layout engine as MS Office, so that makes sense.
I still make my sites work in IE, down to IE4, and probably 1-3 too, I just haven't had a chance to test them yet.
I think that in the retro-computing world, IE will be one of the longest browsers still in use.
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#53> A fascinating set of circumstances led to Internet Explorer’s dominance in Asian markets. First, early browsers had poor support for Unicode and East Asian character sets, forcing website developers to build their own text rendering atop native code plugins (ActiveX). South Korea mandated use of a locally-developed cipher (SEED) for banking transactions, and this cipher was not implemented by browser developers… Ac…
I'm Korean so I glad to see someone speaks out this.
Actually it was rather inevitable, partially because of the U.S. gov that time. The Korean gov wanted to grow e-commerce/e-banking in 1999 but the American gov did not allow to export cipher higher than 40 bits. As a result the Korean gov had to develop its own 128 bits cipher (SEED).
It was even before AES/SSL/TLS were introduced so the whole crypto stack was implemented using ActiveX.
I would say it was quite pioneer in 1999 but since then the gov don't even dare to replace the crypto policies. Now we are stuck at this in 2020.
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#54> I printed out the source code for the network stack and sat > down with a red pen. Does anyone still do this to get to know new code base?
FWIW, many proof readers and editors still prefer to work in hard copy, and there are still some writers out there working on drafts longhand or on old school typewriters.
Aside from the mentioned advantages about annotations, I find that working with hard copy produces a different mindset, almost as if your brain recognises that this is still a draft and everything is subject to reconsideration. Counter-intuitively, words on a screen seem more "set in concrete".
It also seems that the brain works differently when sat in front of a humming monitor as opposed to literally anywhere else in the world which is where you can edit hard copy.
Being that "a fresh set of eyes" is often so valuable in both writing and programming, anything that can get you a fresh perspective is potentially valuable, particularly with such a low buy-in.
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#55If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10? Specifically, why is it still shipping IE as the only browser as part of Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, including LTSC 2019? Yes, that is the version of Windows 10 with an "extended support end date of 9 January 2029"* * https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifec...
> If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10? We have multi-million dollar software that relies on IE to run -- that's why. What good is an OS that can't run our software? Since Windows 10 we've setup an icon to just launch this application in IE and set the default browser for end-users to Chrome. Eventually that software will be replaced and we can end our use of…
IE doesn't have to ship with Windows 10, does it? Is there any reason it couldn't be a separate install?
I don't use it so I'd rather not have it on my machine.
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#56I know I'm in the minority on this, but I love the feel of IE, it feels like the most OS-integrated browser I've ever used. Of course, Trident was based off the same layout engine as MS Office, so that makes sense. I still make my sites work in IE, down to IE4, and probably 1-3 too, I just haven't had a chance to test them yet. I think that in the retro-computing world, IE will be one of the longest browsers still in…
I don't know about IE1 and 3, but for IE2 (the one that shipped with NT4) you need at least, from what I remember:
- no name-based virtual hosting (it does HTTP 1.0 but doesn't send Host headers)
- avoid redundant whitespace (it's not collapsed)
- wrap and contents in , otherwise they will be visible
I've had to keep an application's webinterface IE2 compatible ("usable") for longer than I wanted to as the initial configuration (opening up ports and IP addreses) was generally done on the NT4 server in IE itself.
(Once initial setup was done, further configuration could be done remotely with a more 'modern' browser, so fortunately only a few pages needed to be usable by IEs that old)
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't just revoke people's licenses to use EOLed Windows, such that they're breaking the law by staying on that version. That'd get crufty corps and orgs moving, no?
It would get them moving, but not necessarily in the direction MSFT would like. If they are forced to change OS, they might think twice about moving to yet another OS made by a company that just did the forcing in such a ruthless way. Mind you, I would totally agree with such a decision, if MSFT decided to enforce it, but I dont think it will necessarily play out in a way that is advantageous to MSFT, hence why they…
Keep in mind, Microsoft already aren’t making any money from them. They aren’t quite “Microsoft customers” in any real sense, if they’re running WinXP and Office2007.
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#58If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10? Specifically, why is it still shipping IE as the only browser as part of Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, including LTSC 2019? Yes, that is the version of Windows 10 with an "extended support end date of 9 January 2029"* * https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifec...
Well, as someone who installed various versios of windows over the last two decades,I can say that the only purpose of IE is a gateway to Chrome or Mozilla websites.Once they get downloaded it never gets opened again.
...and ActiveX reliant legacy apps...
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#59granted, the electronic medical record software that is the bane of my life (Allscripts Pro) requires Internet Explorer. WITH ACTIVE X!!!!
The second sentence is not much of a surprise; why would something require IE if not for its ActiveX support? Certainly, some things might render brokenly in other browsers, but ActiveX is the only real "IE-only feature" a site might depend on.
VBScript and HTA files (HTML Applications) come to mind. HTAs were actually an interesting direction, once used them to ship a simple application (a very visual FTP upload). It was unsandboxed HTML and JS that could access all the ActiveX APIs. A bit like Electron now.
Can't image there not being a few niches out there that heavily rely (or relied) on HTAs
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do they not get infected with worms and ransomware the second they browse the internet?
The paranoid part of me would suspect that they've already been taken over, and the criminals behind them are actively preventing infection from visible forms of attack so they can maintain access to a valuable resource.
Ah yes, shadow IT, protecting the worlds computers from other criminals. A thankless job, really, but somebody has to do it