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Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Someone needs to tell Microsoft. The Microsoft License Advisor, which has the pricing info for Windows, https://mla.microsoft.com/ on Firefox pops up a box which reads "Internet Explorer Notification NaN and newer versions. Download latest version of Internet Explorer"

Same for Safari, Chrome, Brave. The NaN is an especially nice touch.

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Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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> Burndown List >> Banking, especially in Asia My bank in China requires Windows + IE + a custom ActiveX control to use their Internet banking. As a result, I don't use it. One of my accounts can be used via their mobile app (if you read Chinese or have another phone to use camera translation). My business account cannot be, and I am therefore required to visit a branch along with my official chop (seal / stamp) when…

I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't just revoke people's licenses to use EOLed Windows, such that they're breaking the law by staying on that version. That'd get crufty corps and orgs moving, no?

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10? Specifically, why is it still shipping IE as the only browser as part of Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, including LTSC 2019? Yes, that is the version of Windows 10 with an "extended support end date of 9 January 2029"* * https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifec...

Same reason they're still shipping Notepad, or the non-Powershell command interpreter: backwards compatibility with old enterprise software that hooks directly into those specific things (e.g. by targeting the mouse at specific pixels.)

Basically, think of it like: LTSC ships without a browser. If you want a browser, go install one from the App Store. What it does ship with is an ActiveX-enabled-Intranet client.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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> A fascinating set of circumstances led to Internet Explorer’s dominance in Asian markets. First, early browsers had poor support for Unicode and East Asian character sets, forcing website developers to build their own text rendering atop native code plugins (ActiveX). South Korea mandated use of a locally-developed cipher (SEED) for banking transactions, and this cipher was not implemented by browser developers… Ac…

Reminds me of Sony-BMG installing rootkits to enforce DRM; and Dell and Lenovo pinning their own root certs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_roo...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/superfish-20-now-dell-...

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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granted, the electronic medical record software that is the bane of my life (Allscripts Pro) requires Internet Explorer. WITH ACTIVE X!!!!

The second sentence is not much of a surprise; why would something require IE if not for its ActiveX support?

Certainly, some things might render brokenly in other browsers, but ActiveX is the only real "IE-only feature" a site might depend on.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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I understand Microsoft needs to continue supporting IE for old websites but my boss a couple days ago used the Microsoft Lifecycle Policy as a reason why we, as website developers, need to support IE11 also. I would like articles saying people shouldn't use IE to also explicity answer the question, "Should website developers support IE?"

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/t...

It's tough to get much deader before they just rip it out.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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> Burndown List >> Banking, especially in Asia My bank in China requires Windows + IE + a custom ActiveX control to use their Internet banking. As a result, I don't use it. One of my accounts can be used via their mobile app (if you read Chinese or have another phone to use camera translation). My business account cannot be, and I am therefore required to visit a branch along with my official chop (seal / stamp) when…

I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't just revoke people's licenses to use EOLed Windows, such that they're breaking the law by staying on that version. That'd get crufty corps and orgs moving, no?

> I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't just revoke people's licenses to use EOLed Windows, such that they're breaking the law by staying on that version. That'd get crufty corps and orgs moving, no?

I've heard it said that the official OS of mainland China is a pirated copy of Windows XP. IIRC, there are even 3rd-party vendors there that distribute security patches for it. I doubt those people will be fazed by the actions you suggest.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Someone needs to tell Microsoft. The Microsoft License Advisor, which has the pricing info for Windows, https://mla.microsoft.com/ on Firefox pops up a box which reads "Internet Explorer Notification NaN and newer versions. Download latest version of Internet Explorer"

The javascript comments on that makes it even more hilarious: //shoehorn a iframe to cover our select elemtns for ie6. what a crappy browser.... Clearly whoever made the page hates IE 6

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10? Specifically, why is it still shipping IE as the only browser as part of Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, including LTSC 2019? Yes, that is the version of Windows 10 with an "extended support end date of 9 January 2029"* * https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifec...

> If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10?

We have multi-million dollar software that relies on IE to run -- that's why. What good is an OS that can't run our software?

Since Windows 10 we've setup an icon to just launch this application in IE and set the default browser for end-users to Chrome.

Eventually that software will be replaced and we can end our use of IE but today is not that day.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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> Burndown List >> Banking, especially in Asia My bank in China requires Windows + IE + a custom ActiveX control to use their Internet banking. As a result, I don't use it. One of my accounts can be used via their mobile app (if you read Chinese or have another phone to use camera translation). My business account cannot be, and I am therefore required to visit a branch along with my official chop (seal / stamp) when…

I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't just revoke people's licenses to use EOLed Windows, such that they're breaking the law by staying on that version. That'd get crufty corps and orgs moving, no?

Because they could run nuclear reactors? Or are the only terminal to a ancient water pipe system?

There is a legal element which may allow them to do so, but it is incredible unresponsible to do so. Even the small Win10 migration process break people.

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