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Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Post by banana_giraffe »

Seenso wrote: post #37
derefr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't just revoke people's licenses to use EOLed Windows, such that they're breaking the law by staying on that version. That'd get crufty corps and orgs moving, no?

> I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't just revoke people's licenses to use EOLed Windows, such that they're breaking the law by staying on that version. That'd get crufty corps and orgs moving, no? I've heard it said that the official OS of mainland China is a pirated copy of Windows XP. IIRC, there are even 3rd-party vendors there that distribute security patches for it. I doubt those people will be fazed by the actions…

There was a joke that I hard from a friend at MS around the time of XP that people planning how many copies to produce for different regions would only produce one copy for China.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Post by nemonemo »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #26

> A fascinating set of circumstances led to Internet Explorer’s dominance in Asian markets. First, early browsers had poor support for Unicode and East Asian character sets, forcing website developers to build their own text rendering atop native code plugins (ActiveX). South Korea mandated use of a locally-developed cipher (SEED) for banking transactions, and this cipher was not implemented by browser developers… Ac…

Yep. I still have a Windows machine for banking and gov websites in SK. Things got much better lately thanks to mobile apps and relaxed regulations, but I see Windows-dependency is still strong on some websites.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Post by reaperducer »

gummydog wrote: post #25
logifail wrote: post #11

If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10? Specifically, why is it still shipping IE as the only browser as part of Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, including LTSC 2019? Yes, that is the version of Windows 10 with an "extended support end date of 9 January 2029"* * https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifec...

Many Enterprises run critical legacy apps that depend on IE and it's ability to emulate lower versions. Many large orgs would require $100's of millions to rewrite all of them. No one will fund exercise that until the proverbial gun is point at them. 2029 sounds about right.

Many large orgs would require $100's of millions to rewrite all of them.

My org loaded Chrome on all of the machines for our internal web sites, but according to my logs, almost nobody uses it. They're just too used to clicking on the (e), I guess.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Post by reaperducer »

iSnow wrote: post #16
dedosk wrote: post #2

> I printed out the source code for the network stack and sat > down with a red pen. Does anyone still do this to get to know new code base?

Did this once to make sense of an especially hairy class structure I inherited. Would actually do this again, 4K displays notwithstanding.

One of my displays is a 4K portrait monitor. It's the single most productivity-enhancing piece of gear I have, especially for web sites.

That said, sometimes printed code is still better.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Post by junar »

Animats wrote: post #5

Someone needs to tell Microsoft. The Microsoft License Advisor, which has the pricing info for Windows, https://mla.microsoft.com/ on Firefox pops up a box which reads "Internet Explorer Notification NaN and newer versions. Download latest version of Internet Explorer"

NaN seems to be the result of a typo in the JS. They tried to concatenate two strings, but added an extra / character, which causes the strings to be coerced to NaN.

  ''  / 

             + ' Microsoft License Advisor is optimized for Internet Explorer 7'

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Post by filoleg »

derefr wrote: post #32
_-___________-_ wrote: post #4

> Burndown List >> Banking, especially in Asia My bank in China requires Windows + IE + a custom ActiveX control to use their Internet banking. As a result, I don't use it. One of my accounts can be used via their mobile app (if you read Chinese or have another phone to use camera translation). My business account cannot be, and I am therefore required to visit a branch along with my official chop (seal / stamp) when…

I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't just revoke people's licenses to use EOLed Windows, such that they're breaking the law by staying on that version. That'd get crufty corps and orgs moving, no?

It would get them moving, but not necessarily in the direction MSFT would like. If they are forced to change OS, they might think twice about moving to yet another OS made by a company that just did the forcing in such a ruthless way.

Mind you, I would totally agree with such a decision, if MSFT decided to enforce it, but I dont think it will necessarily play out in a way that is advantageous to MSFT, hence why they haven’t done so yet.

Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Post by [deleted] »

junar wrote: post #46
Animats wrote: post #5

Someone needs to tell Microsoft. The Microsoft License Advisor, which has the pricing info for Windows, https://mla.microsoft.com/ on Firefox pops up a box which reads "Internet Explorer Notification NaN and newer versions. Download latest version of Internet Explorer"

NaN seems to be the result of a typo in the JS. They tried to concatenate two strings, but added an extra / character, which causes the strings to be coerced to NaN. ' ' / + ' Microsoft License Advisor is optimized for Internet Explorer 7'

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Re: Retiring Internet Explorer

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Post by cr0sh »

wvenable wrote: post #39
logifail wrote: post #11

If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10? Specifically, why is it still shipping IE as the only browser as part of Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, including LTSC 2019? Yes, that is the version of Windows 10 with an "extended support end date of 9 January 2029"* * https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifec...

> If Microsoft really believes no-one needs IE, why is it still shipping it as part of Windows 10? We have multi-million dollar software that relies on IE to run -- that's why. What good is an OS that can't run our software? Since Windows 10 we've setup an icon to just launch this application in IE and set the default browser for end-users to Chrome. Eventually that software will be replaced and we can end our use of…

It's basically the same way with VB6 apps - so many of them out there, and MS can't get rid of the runtime DLL...
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