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What are you talking about? Delphi let's you build Android apps, not just DOS apps. And iOS, and Win64, etc...
I was referring to Borland turbo c/c++.
Got it, makes sense
Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students
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Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students
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> The internet is lousy in Turkey Um, what? I just signed up for fiber in Istanbul, lowest plan, 25mbit, at dirt cheap $11 a month — unmetered. Meanwhile my San Francisco apartment, Comcast charges me $67 a month for a 50mbit capped one. While there is some variance in availability (just like any other country) Turkish infrastructure is generally first-world. It is for political reasons that it gets demoted into the…
I go to Turkey regularly and I always had a very good bandwidth on 4g, even in the middle of nowhere in Anatolia. The network is much, much better than here in France. I guess the geography of Turkey helps a lot there since they usually always have a good vantage point to put antenna. I don't know why people in this thread seem to think that Turkey is a poor developing country. It's not. Even with the recent politica…
> I don't know why people in this thread seem to think that Turkey is a poor developing country.
In the EU, there is a lot of prejudice against Turkish people because of the decades of immigration. Think of how most Americans stereotype Mexico and Mexican people, and that's roughly how many people in the EU regard Turkey.
In the US people don't really know anything about Turkey, aside from a vague idea that it's "middle eastern". Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if a huge percentage of Americans think Turkey is all deserts and they speak Arabic.
Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students
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Stack Overflow has dumbed people down significantly because of the mental laziness it engenders. In a time before the internet, it used to be that books, and occasionally magazines, were the initial entry points to understanding software, hardware and electronics. Then the BBS came along, these secret islands of knowledge and trade. I learned Pascal and assembly on Turbo Pascal with trial-and-error and lots of contex…
Speaking as someone who learned in the Turbo Pascal / Turbo C era, StackOverflow has moved the state of the art on hugely , and people's dependency on it is more a symptom of the environements they are working in than anything else. > Progress is neither linear, increasing nor assured, and much is lost, reinvented not necessarily as well and lost again. The big difference is that we are now networked. The target MSDO…
> browser
> zero-friction environment
Giggle.
Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students
#274Everyone is assuming incompetence/familiarity with old tooling but it's also likely that this is a corruption/kickback scheme with some local distributor
To my knowledge, the software was provided for free, there was no economic transaction. In fact, Delphi Community Edition is free to any student over the world. This deal adds support for teachers.
Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students
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The last release of Borland Turbo C was in 1988. That makes it an odd choice, considering gcc and clang are free and cross-platform. Hell, they even have a C89 mode if you'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before you recognise // style single-line comments.
Isn't this a bit like saying the last release of Ford's Model T was back in the 1930's? It is now called C++ Builder, and it is still regularly released. https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder
Yes, if when arghwhat said Borland Turbo C to describe a product without Borland, Turbo, or C in its name that product might indeed have a different release date :)
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The number of small scale desktop applications (like restaurant accounting/billing or tax management) in Turkey or similar markets exceeds all forms of mobile/web apps combined. In my home town in Iran, C# desktop developer is the number one job offer for the last 10-15 years. The market is full of small businesses that need simple desktop apps to run the business.
Why would you want to build a restaurant accounting/billing app as a desktop app instead of a browser app?
I'd ask the opposite question.
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I've been toying with the idea of running a few classes to help early and mid-career adults learn to program. Although it's been so long since I first learned that I worry I'd struggle to get the basics across. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good, up to date, open source, introduction to programming? Ideally something that uses an experienced programmer (i.e. me) to guide.
Ruby the Hard Way.
Zed Shaw's books are seriously overrated.
Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students
#278Corruption matters aside, I honestly think choosing a non-standard technology is a good move. Reading the news article, you see that the students mentioned are in trade schools. Turkey needs the trade school students to continue doing trades (there's a shortage of tradespeople), so it would make no sense flooding the javascript/c#/python developer market with trade schoolers now thinking they might make lots of more…
Honestly, they could maybe start a desktop app start-up. The web craze hasn't infected the entire planet (yet), and there's many small companies that require different tools and can't afford the big name packages or they can't find something matching their requirements.
Well, the web paradigm is definitely being pushed hard on naive users:
Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students
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I used either. Not really good alternative IMO
Well why not? I've used Delphi for years and also Java/JavaFX/Swing. There's not much reason to use Delphi anymore when Java IDEs can do the same things, and much more, and with docs that are just as good or better, all for free.
In Delphi I do desktop applications that perform real time low level device control, talk over USB and some specialized radio gizmos, DirectX graphics and multimedia processing, real time data presentation, bulk data processing, game like communications over UDP etc. etc. All at the same time from a different threads. Good luck doing it in Java. I did try doing low level stuff with it per client request and it felt like masochism. Java was created with the different things in mind.
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Outdated or not, you can learn an awful lot using Borland Turbo C. You can implement any data structure you like.
Sure you can learn a lot but I have no idea why you would choose Turbo C in 2020 over say a Raspberry Pi with GCC. Turbo C (discontinued in 1990) is going to expose a bunch of irrelevant things today, as even most microcontrollers are 32-bit: painful 16-bit near/far memory model a single task operating system (DOS) that has been long obsolete no support for networking or threads I could go on and on.
In going from zero to programmer those aren't bad things, they are a simplified learning model.
Would you advocate pilots stop learning to fly in single engine prop planes and instead jump right into the cockpit of an Airbus because that's what they will encounter in the workforce?
Any why are doctors practicing on dead people when clearly they can't possibly help them or cure anything that way...