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Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by zozbot234 »

agumonkey wrote: post #84
zozbot234 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

QuickBASIC works the same way. Rust doesn't really build its help documentation for "built-in" access in the programming environment (everything is web-based, even "local" docs launch in a web browser) but examples are a first-class feature; they're reused as test cases.

Talking about that, rust html docs gobs a whopping 400MB (2/3 of the install size IIRC). When compressed they're 22MB.

Rust and cargo are quite wasteful of disk space anyway, they should fix that first. 400MB is a drop in the bucket.

Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by netsharc »

blub wrote: post #102
_v7gu wrote: post #96

Corruption matters aside, I honestly think choosing a non-standard technology is a good move. Reading the news article, you see that the students mentioned are in trade schools. Turkey needs the trade school students to continue doing trades (there's a shortage of tradespeople), so it would make no sense flooding the javascript/c#/python developer market with trade schoolers now thinking they might make lots of more…

Honestly, they could maybe start a desktop app start-up. The web craze hasn't infected the entire planet (yet), and there's many small companies that require different tools and can't afford the big name packages or they can't find something matching their requirements.

It's an interesting concept. Flood the market with Delphi programmers, then companies will accept Delphi solutions, and start asking for them too. But also the good programmers won't leave the country because outside of Turkey nobody is asking for Delphi.

Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by michaelt »

levosmetalo wrote: post #95
arghwhat wrote: post #14

This reminds me of a few ( I then found out that they were being taught to use Borland Turbo C . I suspect the case for this is similar: Some person who once upon a time learnt to program and then never practiced nor developed their skills somehow got a job teaching programming, and is now trying to apply the ancient tools they were taught somewhere around the time when some fish decided to walk on land because its a…

Is that somehow wrong? What was so fundamentally changed in CS that makes teaching C obsolete?

The last release of Borland Turbo C was in 1988.

That makes it an odd choice, considering gcc and clang are free and cross-platform.

Hell, they even have a C89 mode if you'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before you recognise // style single-line comments.

Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by maeln »

rolleiflex wrote: post #106
sitkack wrote: post #101

Idera (nee Borland) must be stoked, they potentially just created 1 million new Delphi programmers in a 2nd world country. I'd add a bullet point to the sheet. * One million Turkish kids This isn't necessarily corruption. And we have no idea what they paid. The internet is lousy in Turkey, having a stand alone system with documentation, an IDE and a great debugger will work really well in that environment. Pascal is…

> The internet is lousy in Turkey Um, what? I just signed up for fiber in Istanbul, lowest plan, 25mbit, at dirt cheap $11 a month — unmetered. Meanwhile my San Francisco apartment, Comcast charges me $67 a month for a 50mbit capped one. While there is some variance in availability (just like any other country) Turkish infrastructure is generally first-world. It is for political reasons that it gets demoted into the…

I go to Turkey regularly and I always had a very good bandwidth on 4g, even in the middle of nowhere in Anatolia. The network is much, much better than here in France. I guess the geography of Turkey helps a lot there since they usually always have a good vantage point to put antenna.

I don't know why people in this thread seem to think that Turkey is a poor developing country. It's not. Even with the recent political issues and the economical crisis, it is much better than a lot of country in Europe and in the EU.

Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by kragen »

non-entity wrote: post #110
kragen wrote: post #105

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Huh, I'm surprised to find that you're right, unless you count NASM. Randall Hyde last updated HLA in 2015 (and it didn't support the 8086 anyway), WalterBright last updated DMC in 2013, and SDCC doesn't support the 8086. But I remember the 8086 as being a lot of needless effort that we had to cope with because it had a large installed base: near, far, and huge pointers, EMS bank switching, shitty TSRs that would sto…

Yep, my goal is to write a kernel for an old IBM 5155 I picked up a while back. Mostly for fun

Are you familiar with Project Oberon and Liedtke's Eumel?

Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by non-entity »

kragen wrote: post #115
non-entity wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, my goal is to write a kernel for an old IBM 5155 I picked up a while back. Mostly for fun

Are you familiar with Project Oberon and Liedtke's Eumel?

I'm superficially familiar with Project Oberon, but have not heard of the latter.

Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by blub »

oefrha wrote: post #21

I too have a soft spot for Object Pascal but > Getting object-pascal back into universities and education is very important. Not just for Delphi as a product and Embarcadero as a company, but to ensure that the next generation of software developers are given a firm grasp on fundamental programming concepts; concepts that represent the building-blocks that all software rests on; a curriculum that has taken heavy dama…

Java and C# are a morass of complexity. There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too.

On the other hand Delphi's just Delphi. That's quite refreshing in a world where everything depends on everything else.

Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by Wiretrip »

MrGilbert wrote: post #8

I had to giggle recently when I heard "Delphi is dead". It's not. And I don't think it ever will, because, both as a language and work environment, it is quite powerful. It has pretty low entry barriers, and is pretty capable. When I used it (as a hobbiest, during Delphi 5 and Delphi 7 times), it had a superb tooling, and a really efficient compiler. Everything "just worked". It's now 15 - 20 years ago, when we creat…

Agreed. I still use Delphi (7) to write Windows apps (and Lazarus to port them to Linux MacOS). Not everything is web based.

Re: Turkey buys Delphi licenses for an estimated one million students

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Post by Wiretrip »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #39

Professional programmers scoff at "old" languages like this, but they forget what it's like to not know the first thing about programming, or what GCC is, or how it's different from Clang, or if you need to install Linux to use it, or if you're making a huge mistake by using C++ instead of Rust, or if maybe Go is better, or why that one person said something about GraphQL, or if you need to install a virtual env for…

I am a professional programmer and I still use Delphi. It's great!
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