Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

Post by hprotagonist » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

Turing_Machine wrote: post #52

hprotagonist wrote: post #37

The salt mines in Hallstatt germany date back to about that period too, and have longer trade route reach than was previously believed as well. We’ve been pretty good at selling stuff for a while, I suspect.

> We’ve been pretty good at selling stuff for a while, I suspect. Indeed. There were similar trade routes in North America, likely using the Mississippi River for transportation. Ocean shells in the Midwest. Object made from Michigan copper all over the continent. Likewise tools made from obsidian from the west. Our ancestors were collectively as smart and motivated as we are.

Post by gbear605 » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

mprev wrote: post #78

gbear605 wrote: post #63

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I don’t want to discredit this, since I don’t know your source, but linguistically that seems quite unlikely for a consonant introduced three thousand years ago to have influence on the modern Cornish place names. Three thousand years ago, the Celtic languages hadn’t even split from proto-Celtic, so any influence on Cornish should have also had influenced on the rest of the Celtic languages. In addition, the sound /z…

I’m not an expert so forgive what might be a naive question. Even if the languages had not split, could there still not be regionalised influences on place names?

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 6:27 PM UTC

ncmncm wrote: post #46

avip wrote: post #42

Weird article. It reads as-if it's a new discovery, yet the "tin comes from England" meme appears in 2K yo maps ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiterides ). In the "Haifa marine Museum" you've never heard of, there are tin pieces found in Phoenician ships, that's ~3K yo and IIRC the sign even says the Tin is from today's England. [edit: of course this piece could be referencing new confirmation or new methodology…

People have always suspected Bronze-age tin might have come from England, but most historians never took it seriously because it implied a lot more long-distance commerce than they believed was possible then. Charred cloves from the Moluccas (south of the Philippines) were recently found in in a jar in burnt-out remains of a 4000-year-old middle-class kitchen in Syria.

Post by boomboomsubban » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:16 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #86

peeters wrote: post #67

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Not OP, and it's an article about an article about a study, but I think this is where the analysis would be mentioned: > According to Phys.org, the researchers used “lead and tin isotope data as well as trace element analysis” to identify where the metal was originally mined. What they found was totally unexpected. Phys.org article in question in here but says the same thing: https://phys.org/news/2019-09-enigma-bron…

> “lead and tin isotope data as well as trace element analysis” to identify where the metal was originally mined. A problem could be that metals scrappings can be recycled. Who grants that a tin was not part of a ship's hull before?

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:40 PM UTC

leoc wrote: post #16

chrisco255 wrote: post #8

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Is it unfeasible that the tin was traded from ancient Britain to ancient France to Ancient Greece to ancient Israel in sort of a chain rather than ships transporting them directly to Israel?

I'm not an expert, but I think it's a given that high-value durable goods like this could change hands many times. For example, probably no-one travelled all the way with the Indian metal objects which have been found in Britain: https://www.caitlingreen.org/2014/12/indian-silver-coins-in-... .