Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall • Hacker News Board

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by usrusr » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:05 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #8

1wd wrote: post #4

From a 2016 talk: "Possible some came from Cornwall though I rather doubt they went up there more than once in a blue moon. There are some tin mines in southern Turkey but not enough. The vast majority came from Afghanistan. Specifically the Badakhshan region of Afghanistan." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4&feature=youtu.be...

Is it unfeasible that the tin was traded from ancient Britain to ancient France to Ancient Greece to ancient Israel in sort of a chain rather than ships transporting them directly to Israel?

Possible, but given the prominence of naval trade within the Mediterranean they might have been the ones running the northwestern hops as well.

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by boudewijnrempt » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:07 PM UTC

kassas wrote: post #30

Funny. There was no "Israel" 3000 years ago, it is called "Palestine". Zionists invaded and occupied Palestine.

What the place was called 3000 years ago is irrelevant; today it's called Israel, and that's where the archaeologists have digged it up. The article actually says "modern-day Israel" and "modern-day Britain" in places. (Because, of course, 3000 years ago what's now called Great Britain wasn't called that either...)

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:09 PM UTC

kassas wrote: post #30

Funny. There was no "Israel" 3000 years ago, it is called "Palestine". Zionists invaded and occupied Palestine.

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Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by bserfaty » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:12 PM UTC

kassas wrote: post #30

Funny. There was no "Israel" 3000 years ago, it is called "Palestine". Zionists invaded and occupied Palestine.

The name "Palestine" was given by the Romans. The area was known to it's inhabitants as Judea. During the iron age the kingdoms of Judea and Israel existed in the area. The name "Israel" first appears in the Merneptah Stele c. 1209 BCE: "Israel is laid waste and his seed is no more."

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by INTPenis » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

This is so interesting because one of my favorite books is Island in the Sea of Time by S. M. Stirling.

It's an alternative history sci-fi book where the author proposes that greeks are sending envoys to britain in 1250bc for trade.

To be precise, Iberian greek colonies are sending these envoys but they speak a common language being ancient greek.

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by turkthrower123 » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:35 PM UTC

kassas wrote: post #30

Funny. There was no "Israel" 3000 years ago, it is called "Palestine". Zionists invaded and occupied Palestine.

Careful. It is against forum rules to ever criticize zionists or israeli's brutal invasion and enslavement of Palestine

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by hprotagonist » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

The salt mines in Hallstatt germany date back to about that period too, and have longer trade route reach than was previously believed as well.

We’ve been pretty good at selling stuff for a while, I suspect.

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by lucozade » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:54 PM UTC

kassas wrote: post #30

Funny. There was no "Israel" 3000 years ago, it is called "Palestine". Zionists invaded and occupied Palestine.

A suggestion. If you're going to troll on HN, at least do a modicum of research. Otherwise you just come across as an ignorant tosser.

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by mmikeff » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:55 PM UTC

DrScientist wrote: post #14

Rather bizarre the article implies direct ships from Cornwall to the middle east. Surely much more likely a trading network, where things change hands multiple times before reaching destination, probably with key trading hubs. In fact the tin was found off the coast - just as likely to have been on route to somewhere else.

I haven't got the book to hand but have read of Moorish pirates kidnapping fishermen from their boats around the Lizard peninsula and selling them into slavery. If true then the idea of ships travelling directly may not be so far fetched. (edit - in the 1600s though)

Re: Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall

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Post by rmah » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 1:57 PM UTC

tssva wrote: post #22

During the run of the British archeology TV show "Time Team" they examined a couple of sites in Cornwall associated with tin. In each episode they discuss the far reaching international trade for tin from Cornwall during the bronze age including as far as to locations in Africa, so while adding to archaeological knowledge this find doesn't seem to be breaking new ground.

The new ground is that the tin is dated from apx 1000 BCE rather than 2000 BCE to 1500 BCE when the trade from the now british isles to the near east cultures was well established. These trade routes were thought to be disrupted during the bronze age collapse which, IIRC, started around 1500 BCE.