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First Case of New Coronavirus Detected in U.S.

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Post by cameldrv »

Fomite wrote: post #146
Enginerrrd wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is very wrong. You're thinking of surgical mask, in which case the standard precautions conform to what you said in their intent, and studies show both are actually effective in preventing transmission when worn by patients. [1] An N95 is the current recommended standard (for medical works to wear) to prevent droplet transmission when working with high-risk patients on respiratory precautions since it is act…

From your second citation: "Although N95 respirators appeared to have a protective advantage over surgical masks in laboratory settings, our meta-analysis showed that there were insufficient data to determine definitively whether N95 respirators are superior to surgical masks in protecting health care workers against transmissible acute respiratory infections in clinical settings."

Insufficient data to show that N95 is better than a surgical mask, not insufficient data that N95 works. My guess is that whether the mask fits and makes a good seal, whether the user wears it consistently, and whether the user washes his hands before handling food or touching his mouth or nose all matter a lot more than the type of mask.

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Post by mAritz »

eecc wrote: post #48
mAritz wrote: post #41

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Bird flu (H5N8) is actually back in central Europe right now, coming in through eastern Europe from Central Asia.

We’re all sickened for about two weeks already... this year’s flu is definitely a thing, although seems to be contained in the NL (personal, anecdotal evidence)

Bird Flu spreads very rarely to Humans, you're probably talking about other flu viruses or just the common cold.

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Post by prepend »

Fomite wrote: post #134

https://www.mobs-lab.org/2019ncov.html Current modeling estimates put the likely number of infections between 1 and 6.2 thousand, primarily concentrated in China.

This estimate [0] puts it at 4,000 as of Jan 18.

It’s weird to not have government numbers that are actionable and we have to use models that range from 1-9.7k.

[0] https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-ana...

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Post by theseadroid »

dear wrote: post #197
tanilama wrote: post #139

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It is just pointless bashing, covering up 2 months? Think how this pandemic had escalated in a week, and neighboring countries will not notice it for 2 months? Some people have some weird imagination

I don't think you follow the news there. Just because you've only heard it yesterday doesn't make it new. The neighbouring countries have been on guard on the issue. There have been lots of news, leaks and complaints on this issue for the past several weeks. In fact the wet market in Wuhan had been officially "closed " for at least 3 weeks due to the disease. That means the pandemic has been spreading far longer than…

Chinese sources have been reporting on the issue from 2019 December. How does your reference a proof that the chinese gov has been covering it up?

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Post by camillomiller »

munchhausen wrote: post #195
Nothorized wrote: post #77

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How did you break the constant need to touch your face? I tried to do that, and in 5 minutes I am back in touching some part of my face.

You must be attentive enough to your impulses to catch yourself wanting to do it before you actually do it. It takes years to develop that level of attentiveness, but it's oh-so-worth-it. And not just because it lets you avoid the seasonal colds :)

Interesting. I have an absolute control over this kind of things. If I decide not to touch my face with my hands it just happens. It feels like mentally setting an exception in my loop. As soon as the hand comes closer to the face or my eyes itch, I realize what‘s happening and stop. I never saw that as anything special, though, is it?

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Post by bart_spoon »

incompatible wrote: post #158
bart_spoon wrote: post #10

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According to the Washington Post[0], it wasn't caught at the airport, and he isn't a traveller, he is a resident in the Seattle area returning from China. > Washington state health officials said the man, a resident of Snohomish County, Wash., returned from a trip to the region around Wuhan, where the outbreak began. He arrived at Seattle’s international airport last Wednesday. Shortly afterward, he began feeling ill…

> he isn't a traveller, he is a resident in the Seattle area returning from China. A traveller is somebody who travels, e.g., from Seattle to China and back.

The implication seemed to be that it was someone passing through, as opposed to a resident. But yes, my read could have been wrong.

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Post by tanilama »

dear wrote: post #197
tanilama wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is just pointless bashing, covering up 2 months? Think how this pandemic had escalated in a week, and neighboring countries will not notice it for 2 months? Some people have some weird imagination

I don't think you follow the news there. Just because you've only heard it yesterday doesn't make it new. The neighbouring countries have been on guard on the issue. There have been lots of news, leaks and complaints on this issue for the past several weeks. In fact the wet market in Wuhan had been officially "closed " for at least 3 weeks due to the disease. That means the pandemic has been spreading far longer than…

I have been following the issue since start of this month from Chinese media, where is the covering up?

Where is due to the pressure part? At first there had not been showing enough evidence of the virus's capacity to spread from human to human, which only confirmed recently because the medical staff gets infected and 2 cases in Guangdong, so the alert level is much lower than it is now.

You can blame the Chinese authority for not fully predicting the severity of the situation, but intentionally covering stuff up is a different accusation you better have strong evidence to support that.

Some people indeed had some weird imagination.

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Post by naiverealism »

nickczj wrote: post #122
exposay wrote: post #108

China has been covering it up for 2 months. Minimal action was taken to prevent the disease from spreading and they kept denying until a couple days ago when it was no longer possible to cover it up because it is spreading to neighboring countries who have been complaining for the whole time. Regional/local governments have been trying to downplay it because it makes them "look bad". It is essentially a replay of SAR…

China doesn't get to decide the scientific consensus. Teams of scientists spanning multiple countries + NGOs like the WHO make the risk assessment. The reason the scientific consensus was that there was no human-human transmission was because...there was no evidence of human-human transmission. All previous cases could be directly traced back to the market, and there were previously no clear evidence of healthcare wo…

Well looking at a large scale public health incident from only science perspective is a naive simplification.
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